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12/08/2018 3:27 AM  #1


suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Hello all,  need a suggestion about ring gear  that i need to change because is too short  . 
1 st  gear is almost un usable
2 nd  gear is good to start from stop with good distance to do before going into 3 rd
3 rd is good 
4 th  is good 
5 th is not enough long and i want less rpm on highway .
These are the result of  3.80 now 
i would like to change into 3.40  
Does have to expect  a big  changes  or need to go deeper into 3.31  or 3.27.

What i can say about 3.80  is that with t5  the first and second are almost undrivable , like a heavy truck that need to move tons seems to use the reducing gear on 4x4   i dislike it so much . 
Defently i want a longer rear ratio .
what you suggestion ?    3.55    3.40    3.31   3.27     this is the range i choose but tell me if is right !
thanks

 

12/08/2018 4:11 AM  #2


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Try this calculator
http://tremec.com/calculadora.php
 


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12/08/2018 6:54 AM  #3


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

50vert wrote:

Try this calculator
http://tremec.com/calculadora.php
 

thanks , i prefer have some feedback from who has different axle ratio  expecially the lower 3.40 and 3.31 that can tell me how is the driving  . 
for example :  with 3.40 the 1 gear  is short but drivable and  5th gear is really for highway .

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12/08/2018 7:39 AM  #4


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Not sure what year your T-5 is, but for a comparison, I believe the late 80s-early 90s Mustangs with 5-speeds came from the factory with the following rear gear ratios:  2.73, 3.08 or 3.27.

Any of those 3 options will make 1st gear in the T-5 a lot more usable than your current 3.80 and provide a nice overdrive in 5th.

Your other option, which is probably a lot more work, would be to change out the gear set in your T-5 and go with a 2.95 1st gear ratio.

 

12/08/2018 9:33 AM  #5


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

I am running the 3.40 with my T5. Long first gear and I think I am turning 1,800 rpm at 60 mph. Basically works great on the freeway and very usable on the street. I think the 3.31 or 3.27  would give poor performance with the T5. My rear tires are sorta tall (225/50/16) so I am considering trying 3.55 for better launch and RPM coming out of corners. 


66 coupe 289 Weiand T5 3.40 disc brakes progressive coils Bilstein 4.5 leaf mid-eyes 1" front sway bar 16" wheels
 

12/08/2018 11:20 AM  #6


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

my bad ! not mentioned before i got z spec  

T-5Z - 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .625
T-5 - 3.35 1.94 1.29 1.00 .675
 

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12/08/2018 11:24 AM  #7


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Chaplin wrote:

Not sure what year your T-5 is, but for a comparison, I believe the late 80s-early 90s Mustangs with 5-speeds came from the factory with the following rear gear ratios: 2.73, 3.08 or 3.27.

Any of those 3 options will make 1st gear in the T-5 a lot more usable than your current 3.80 and provide a nice overdrive in 5th.

Your other option, which is probably a lot more work, would be to change out the gear set in your T-5 and go with a 2.95 1st gear ratio.

Thanks , not sayd before , i got z spec , so if i have understood right , for my needs i will go between 3 .00 and 3.27 

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12/08/2018 11:26 AM  #8


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Alessandro, I have a TKO 600 with a 2.87 first gear, .64 fifth gear, 3.50 gears in the rear end, and 245/45/17 tires. The car goes down the road at 70 MPH at just over 2000 RPM's. First gear is kind of short but very doable and fifth gear is effective above 50 MPH.

Some advice from "My427Stang" on the FE forum was to have first gear in a range of 10 to 12 and fifth gear at 2.6 to 3. You get first gear right and fifth gear close. He provides good advice, google for his posts, they should come up.

I used his advice for my car. You get those numbers by multiplying the Trans gear ratio by the rear gear ratio. My car is at 10.045 for first and 2.24 for fifth.  

We can tell you how our cars drive with the gears we have installed, but you really need to know your transmission gear ratios and figure in your tire size to with the calculator from Barry aka 50Vert. The cam shaft will play a part in this too. Was yours more wild or kind of stock-ish.

 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

12/08/2018 11:38 AM  #9


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

ponyboy66 wrote:

I am running the 3.40 with my T5. Long first gear and I think I am turning 1,800 rpm at 60 mph. Basically works great on the freeway and very usable on the street. I think the 3.31 or 3.27  would give poor performance with the T5. My rear tires are sorta tall (225/50/16) so I am considering trying 3.55 for better launch and RPM coming out of corners. 

thanks ! , as i got z spec  i think that i need to stay low from 3.00 to 3.27  

T-5Z - 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .625
T-5 - 3.35 1.94 1.29 1.00 .675
i think that 3.40 or 3.55 are still too close to 3.80  . using the calculator for gear there is little differnces between example 3.80 / 3.55 . become noticeable  between 3.80  and 3.08   . .
this is number spoken  that literally dont give me any feelings  . For this reason i will stay hear open for who had my same problem . Thanks !
 

     Thread Starter
 

12/08/2018 11:48 AM  #10


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Bolted to Floor wrote:

Alessandro, I have a TKO 600 with a 2.87 first gear, .64 fifth gear, 3.50 gears in the rear end, and 245/45/17 tires. The car goes down the road at 70 MPH at just over 2000 RPM's. First gear is kind of short but very doable and fifth gear is effective above 50 MPH.

Some advice from "My427Stang" on the FE forum was to have first gear in a range of 10 to 12 and fifth gear at 2.6 to 3. You get first gear right and fifth gear close. He provides good advice, google for his posts, they should come up.

I used his advice for my car. You get those numbers by multiplying the Trans gear ratio by the rear gear ratio. My car is at 10.045 for first and 2.24 for fifth.  

We can tell you how our cars drive with the gears we have installed, but you really need to know your transmission gear ratios and figure in your tire size to with the calculator from Barry aka 50Vert. The cam shaft will play a part in this too. Was yours more wild or kind of stock-ish.

 

Thanks , my engine is rebuild , but stock and i miss to say i got z spec .
T-5Z - 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .625
T-5 - 3.35 1.94 1.29 1.00 .675

so  2.95 x 3.80  =  11.21  
       0.625 x 3.80  = 2.0375   
These are my actual numbers but still got no ideas how they can help me .  the result of these what stay for ? 
can you explain ? 


 

     Thread Starter
 

12/08/2018 11:49 AM  #11


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Alessandro, send me your email address. I will send you transmission ratio calculator that at friend built in a excel spread sheet. It works very well. It matches well with Tremec's.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

12/08/2018 11:52 AM  #12


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Alessandro wrote:

ponyboy66 wrote:

I am running the 3.40 with my T5. Long first gear and I think I am turning 1,800 rpm at 60 mph. Basically works great on the freeway and very usable on the street. I think the 3.31 or 3.27  would give poor performance with the T5. My rear tires are sorta tall (225/50/16) so I am considering trying 3.55 for better launch and RPM coming out of corners. 

thanks ! , as i got z spec  i think that i need to stay low from 3.00 to 3.27  

T-5Z - 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .625
T-5 - 3.35 1.94 1.29 1.00 .675
i think that 3.40 or 3.55 are still too close to 3.80  . using the calculator for gear there is little differnces between example 3.80 / 3.55 . become noticeable  between 3.80  and 3.08   . .
this is number spoken  that literally dont give me any feelings  . For this reason i will stay hear open for who had my same problem . Thanks !
 

With the T-5z you should be able to run lower gears.Mustang Steve has said 3.55 to 3.8 work well with a T-5z


66 coupe 289 Weiand T5 3.40 disc brakes progressive coils Bilstein 4.5 leaf mid-eyes 1" front sway bar 16" wheels
 

12/08/2018 11:53 AM  #13


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

What size tires are on your car?
 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

12/08/2018 11:56 AM  #14


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

I have no idea what gears are in my t5 but I do know it's out of a 92 GT. I'm running a 3:55 rear gear and for street cruising it's perfect. First gear is just enough to get it going and fifth gives me just under 2000 @ 65 mph on the highway. I couldn't be happier with it. I wish I could give you more details but maybe if you research the 92 GT you can come up with the details. Good luck.


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12/08/2018 12:01 PM  #15


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

ponyboy66 wrote:

Alessandro wrote:

ponyboy66 wrote:

I am running the 3.40 with my T5. Long first gear and I think I am turning 1,800 rpm at 60 mph. Basically works great on the freeway and very usable on the street. I think the 3.31 or 3.27  would give poor performance with the T5. My rear tires are sorta tall (225/50/16) so I am considering trying 3.55 for better launch and RPM coming out of corners. 

thanks ! , as i got z spec  i think that i need to stay low from 3.00 to 3.27  

T-5Z - 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .625
T-5 - 3.35 1.94 1.29 1.00 .675
i think that 3.40 or 3.55 are still too close to 3.80  . using the calculator for gear there is little differnces between example 3.80 / 3.55 . become noticeable  between 3.80  and 3.08   . .
this is number spoken  that literally dont give me any feelings  . For this reason i will stay hear open for who had my same problem . Thanks !
 

With the T-5z you should be able to run lower gears.Mustang Steve has said 3.55 to 3.8 work well with a T-5z

Sorry i can t' agree with that . 3.8  for me is too short  . really i hate it .  my first gear now is the second  believe or not .  I involved a lot of people , in this discussion an many says that 3.00  3.27  are way better  with t5 zspec .
 

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12/08/2018 12:02 PM  #16


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Bolted to Floor wrote:

What size tires are on your car?
 

205/70/14 
 

     Thread Starter
 

12/08/2018 12:03 PM  #17


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Bolted to Floor wrote:

Alessandro, send me your email address. I will send you transmission ratio calculator that at friend built in a excel spread sheet. It works very well. It matches well with Tremec's.

alessandrov4@hotmail.com

     Thread Starter
 

12/08/2018 12:38 PM  #18


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Alessandro wrote:

Bolted to Floor wrote:

Alessandro, I have a TKO 600 with a 2.87 first gear, .64 fifth gear, 3.50 gears in the rear end, and 245/45/17 tires. The car goes down the road at 70 MPH at just over 2000 RPM's. First gear is kind of short but very doable and fifth gear is effective above 50 MPH.

Some advice from "My427Stang" on the FE forum was to have first gear in a range of 10 to 12 and fifth gear at 2.6 to 3. You get first gear right and fifth gear close. He provides good advice, google for his posts, they should come up.

I used his advice for my car. You get those numbers by multiplying the Trans gear ratio by the rear gear ratio. My car is at 10.045 for first and 2.24 for fifth.  

We can tell you how our cars drive with the gears we have installed, but you really need to know your transmission gear ratios and figure in your tire size to with the calculator from Barry aka 50Vert. The cam shaft will play a part in this too. Was yours more wild or kind of stock-ish.

 

Thanks , my engine is rebuild , but stock and i miss to say i got z spec .
T-5Z - 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 .625
T-5 - 3.35 1.94 1.29 1.00 .675

so  2.95 x 3.80  =  11.21  
       0.625 x 3.80  = 2.0375   
These are my actual numbers but still got no ideas how they can help me .  the result of these what stay for ? 
can you explain ? 


 

The spread sheet is on its way. You will have to convert for kilometers per hour.

I don't have enough knowledge to explain why the numbers should be what was recommended, I took him at his word. From what I do remember, the 10 to 12 was necessary to get the car rolling without excessive reving and slipping of the clutch.

Think about what your typical cruising speed is/will be and at what RPM range you want to be in for cruising. Select a gear ratio that will get you there. The calculator will make changes easy to see.

Using the calculator for how I drive in your car, it would get 3.50 gears as my first choice and 3.40 as second.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

12/08/2018 1:14 PM  #19


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

My trans has the same gearing as the T-z and I went with a 3.5 rear gear. Haven’t driven it yet though. Soon though!   

 

12/08/2018 3:46 PM  #20


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

If you input the T5z ratios and your tire height of 25.3", into the calculator, you will find what speed you will get in every gear at any rpm.
What rpm do you want to sit at on the highway, and at what speed?
What rpm do you shift first to second, and second to third at?

I'd try to make fourth gear at highway speed, match the rpm where your engine is starting to make the middle of its torque range.
That way, you can downshift from fifth, and go.


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12/08/2018 4:25 PM  #21


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

The stock ratios in the Fox Mustang V8 T5 was the reason they changed the ratios in the Z spec trans.  Most stock V8 stick cars had 2.73s, and gears were often a first mod for guys looking to improve performance.  When coupled to a typical performance gear you end up with an almost immediate 1-2 shift out of the hole.  I remember watching guys at the strip and I could tell you what gear they were running by where on the track they shifted.  If they hit 2nd right about the 60' mark they were running 4.10s, a little farther out and it was 3.73s, a touch farther and they were 3.55s.  The irony was that with .10s their 60' times were terrible and their ET was actually slower than guys running 3.73s or 3.55s.  I always found that in those cars with a stock trans 3.73s were about perfect for most cars with typical bolt ons, because you went through the traps right a redline in 3rd, yet still cut a good 60'.  A power adder car was best off with a 3.55, because they could run it out the back door harder once the blower got spooled or they were fully into their nitrous kit.  Traction improvements made one of the biggest differences though.  Stock you were good if you could cut about a 1.9x 60'.  Better LCAs, sticky tires, etc. could whittle that down, and then you'd need 4th at the end of the track.  A 0.10 reduction in 60' was worth at least 0.20 off your ET, but most guys didn't understand that.  Power's worthless if you can't plant it. 

Now the difference there was that you could zing that 5.0 to near the rev limiter of 6,250.  A stock hydraulic cam 289 you need to shift in the 5,000 RPM range.  That considerably shortens the length of time between shifts.

I have 3.50 gears in my 8" behind a Fox V8 T5.  Its a very well balanced combo.  1st gear is still quite usable, yet at 80MPH on the highway in 5th its turning reasonable RPM.  I'd only consider a rear gear swap once I drive it with the 347 I'm building for it, which will have a higher redline than the 289. 

 

12/08/2018 7:16 PM  #22


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

The problem with the T5 Is it has compromised gear spread for quick acceleration and fuel mileage. There’s a big gap between 1&2 and 4&5 on the production version. I’ve driven T5’s with 2.73, 3.08, 3.27 and 3.40. By far my favorite was the 3.27. It was able to use all 5 gears pretty well. I thought the 3.40 was too low with a 3.35 1st. With the wrong gear, you’re going to bias the trans to 4 of the 5 gears with a big jump between 3 of 4 of the gears at some point.

I have a wide ratio Toploader 4 speed with 2.80 gears. I really like that combo. 4 evenly spaced gears and 4th on the highway is tall enough for comfortable driving without having to downshift to go up a hill or pass someone


I'm not a complete idiot.....pieces are missing. Tom
 

12/09/2018 7:08 AM  #23


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

The Fox V8 version of the T5 is absolutely a compromise.  Like most OEM designs the considerations under which it was designed are different than those enthusiasts have.  The Mustang was built under CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards where a manufacturer's fleet had to meet certain fuel economy criteria set by the Federal Government.  This meant that in order to get good highway mileage they needed to run a low rear gear and use an overdrive ratio to reduce it even further.  This is why the stick cars got the 2.73 gears, and automatics typically had 3.08s, though under some circumstances 3.27s were optional (quite rare too).

The quandry this presented was that the car still had to run an drive like a performance car in the first 4 gears.  The only way to accomplish that was to use a tall 1st gear, so the overall 1st gear ratio was still acceptable.  A 3.35 1st gear coupled with a 2.73 rear results in an overall 1st gear ratio of 9.15, which is pretty good.  I find in most V8 applications 10:1 is about perfect. 

That was great, but then you still had to get down to 1:1 in two steps.  The engineers figured most spirited driving involved shifting between 2nd and 3rd gears.  They therefore cheated those ratios closer together, rather than just create an even gear drop between all gears.  This is why there is a larger RPM drop on the 1-2 shift than on the 2-3 or 3-4 shift.

The 4-5 drop wasn't seen as something about which to be concerned.  Most vehicles of this era would not pull top gear; it was used solely for fuel economy.  It was assumed that you would downshift on the highway if you needed to pass.  The only production T5 that created a good spacing between 4th and 5th was used by GM in the 1LE Camaros.  These cars used a 0.8:1 5th gear.  They did this to allow the cars to pull long straights in stock class racing.  Those T5s are exceedingly rare (I rebuilt one once almost 2 decades ago), and the 0.8:1 5th gearset being highly sought after is akin to hens teeth now (I had a set years back I got $500 for on eBay).  There are aftermarket companies that sell different ratio 5th gearsets like G-Force, so it is still possible, but they are not cheap either.

Consequently, the Z-Spec T5 is a better choice, especially when pairing with a performance rear gear.  I used to be able to buy Z-spec gearsets for $450, but they are NLA.  There are aftermarket choices here too like G-Force and Astro, but these are not cheap, and unless you need the added strength you're better off to just buy a new Z-Spec trans rather than try to upgrade a stock T5. 

Though, its all somewhat academic.  I find the Mustang V8 T5 paired with a 3.50 rear gear and a warmed over A code 289 makes for a fun to drive combination.  Its not perfect, but I paid $0 for the trans plus about $450 to rebuild it, so it was considerably cheaper than buying a new Z-spec trans.  I can usually find used T5s for $250 or so.  I always rebuild them, but again, that's about $350 in parts if they need nothing hard (gears, etc.), but even those parts are relatively cheap now.  OEM parts are mostly NLA, but there are aftermarket parts coming out of India that are very high quality.  I've used these for years and never had a problem.  Side by side you'd be hard pressed to tell them from stock, and the metallurgy must be decent because I've yet to have anything fail either. 

 

12/09/2018 8:58 AM  #24


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Thanks ALL , it' s very interesting every point of view and i used the calculator to understand as well as possile  ( thanks Bolted to floor )  a good compromise for my ride . 
With all this info i reduced my choice  between  3.40  3.31  and 3.27   .  I got a good feelings with 3.31  . 
I will take note about discussion when i will rebuild the 3 rd member . 
Thank you all !!

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12/09/2018 5:57 PM  #25


Re: suggestion needed for a new ring gear set

Considering your "short" tires and 14" rims the 3.31 OR 3.27 should be a good fit IMHO.
Cheaper way out MAY be to upgrade to taller tires/rims....see how your present gear works with them.
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