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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Dreaded wheels and tires question » 4/08/2021 1:48 PM

Deb
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I hate making this post because i don't care one bit about wheels and tires..but here goes

1965 Mustang with Heidts Mustang II suspension
Rear is 9 inch Lincoln Versailles

I want to just bolt something decent looking up.  I'd love to find a used wheel/tire combo on craigslist.  

I have a couple of the 05-09 mustang wheels that I really like the look of on this car, but the wheels won't fit over the hub.  I have a brake lathe and could turn the hubs down, but has anyone ever done that?  I'd rather not go to the trouble if it's not going to work.  

Does anyone know what will bolt straight up?  They don't have to be the latest and greatest thing, just something to get this on the road that are not ugly.  Something that will be good for a few years of use.   

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 4/08/2021 1:40 PM

Deb
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Well, I am here to update you on the wiring.  I got tons of information from Bullet Bob complete with personalized wiring diagrams, samples and lessons galore!  I went from knowing zero to installing a new fuse/relay panel and finally starting the car a couple of days ago thanks to some info y'all supplied and special super duper thank you to Bullet Bob for his help!  Bob, I couldn't have done it without you! 

The engine compartment wiring is pretty well done except for wire loom.  I still have headlight relays so I will wait to button it all up.  

Thank you all for your help! 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Motor Mounts for 65 with Mustang II suspension kit and 92 EFI 5.0 » 10/21/2020 4:37 PM

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Well, I found the 'HEIDTS' plaque on the crossmember, so that is answered.  I called the people in the link and they say they get all their suspension parts from Heidts so that's solved.

TimC, the fuel pump works really well so far!  Ross says hello and thank you!

Hey! Tubo!  Larry and I say hi right back!!

Thanks, MS....will start with the 66 mounts.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Motor Mounts for 65 with Mustang II suspension kit and 92 EFI 5.0 » 10/19/2020 2:25 PM

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What motor mounts?  Larry says he doesn't know if the 'old' 302's and the 5.0 302's have the same mount.  Ross (my son)  found a pair of motor mounts online for the Mustang II but we are not sure it will marry up to the 5.0

https://www.performanceonline.com/1964-73-ford-mustang-motor-mount-brackets-for-ifs-suspension-crossmember/

This is what we are asking about.  

They don't come with the rubber blocks and so I'm not sure what rubber block to order to go with the mounts either.  

Are these them?

https://www.performanceonline.com/1964-73-ford-mustang-motor-mount-brackets-for-ifs-suspension-crossmember/

I did do a search under 'motor mounts' for about five pages before I gave up looking.... We have temporary, home made mounts right now with no rubber.

Thank you!

 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/16/2020 2:12 PM

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Deb wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

I tend to solder everything, or use Solder Seal terminals which contain solder and shrink tubing and can be installed with just a heat gun.  The local NAPA carries them.  I've never had a failure of either.  I think what you've heard about not soldering comes from a concern about the lack of flexibility to connection creates and possible wire embrittlement from the heat.  If I need flexibility I just solder in a spot where the wires don't need to flex, and I think you would have to use WAY too much heat soldering to adversely effect the wire. 

I will say this about locating the air intake, if the filter is in the engine bay an unprotected open element filter is a bad idea.  The 5.0s used an airbox for a reason.  The filter can pick up eddy currents in the air generated by the engine fan.  This tricks the MAF into thinking the air entering the engine is fluctuating, and can lead to an unstable idle.  This took me several years to figure out.  We used to just think that the unstable idle was due to the car being modified.  Then we shielded the first air filter and the idle immediately improved and we all felt like dumb@$$es.  On a 5.0 I would always run a fenderwell CAI.  I'm using an Anderson one of my '89 GT. 

Hearing about your trans swap I would want to go through all that and make sure it was done correctly.  Manual and automatic 5.0s ran different ECUs with different BINs.  Part of this was due to the differences in idle characteristics between an engine that freewheels completely at idle and one that has some parasitic drag from a torque converter/trans pump.  On the up side the automatics tended to have a bit more aggressive fuel and spark curves to try and equalize performance with the manual trans cars. 

These are all great points! I solder and heat shrink everything.  I just don't care for the butt connectors.

Second point you made:  The straight tube between the air cleaner and the MAS was non

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/16/2020 1:37 PM

Deb
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TKOPerformance wrote:

I tend to solder everything, or use Solder Seal terminals which contain solder and shrink tubing and can be installed with just a heat gun.  The local NAPA carries them.  I've never had a failure of either.  I think what you've heard about not soldering comes from a concern about the lack of flexibility to connection creates and possible wire embrittlement from the heat.  If I need flexibility I just solder in a spot where the wires don't need to flex, and I think you would have to use WAY too much heat soldering to adversely effect the wire. 

I will say this about locating the air intake, if the filter is in the engine bay an unprotected open element filter is a bad idea.  The 5.0s used an airbox for a reason.  The filter can pick up eddy currents in the air generated by the engine fan.  This tricks the MAF into thinking the air entering the engine is fluctuating, and can lead to an unstable idle.  This took me several years to figure out.  We used to just think that the unstable idle was due to the car being modified.  Then we shielded the first air filter and the idle immediately improved and we all felt like dumb@$$es.  On a 5.0 I would always run a fenderwell CAI.  I'm using an Anderson one of my '89 GT. 

Hearing about your trans swap I would want to go through all that and make sure it was done correctly.  Manual and automatic 5.0s ran different ECUs with different BINs.  Part of this was due to the differences in idle characteristics between an engine that freewheels completely at idle and one that has some parasitic drag from a torque converter/trans pump.  On the up side the automatics tended to have a bit more aggressive fuel and spark curves to try and equalize performance with the manual trans cars. 

These are all great points! I solder and heat shrink everything.  I just don't care for the butt connectors.

Second point you made:  The straight tube between the air cleaner and the MAS was non-existent s

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/16/2020 1:22 PM

Deb
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JamesW!  good to see you are still here on the MS forum!  I'm not to that point yet, but I will most definitely take you up on that, should the need arise!

Butt, Sally, I heard soldering is better.  I can't tell you how many times i've been untangling some 'modification' by the previous owner and the butt connectors just turned loose in my hand.  I like to use the marine heat shrink over the solders...it shrinks tighter and makes me feel good when the glue oozes out the ends..  I'm thinking 'well if the solder doesn't hold, the glue will'  lol 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/14/2020 8:51 PM

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Coupedaddy wrote:

Pray all is well I have a painless wiring harness I may be willing to let go PM with a offer it’s new in the box I was holding on to in case I switch back to a stock 5.0 computer set up I LMK how you want it Or what parts you need I what I am say in my Cajun Ebonics let me know what to worth to you it will be easier to hide the harness most things that are not needed are already eliminated and it comes with a check engine light too lol it will be easier to diagnose with a good harness 

Thanks!! I will absolutely remember that if our home made attempt doesn’t work! We are trying not to split with the dough just yet, but if I fail, that harness  will be my next plan. 🙂

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/14/2020 4:37 PM

Deb
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Yes, we converted the automatic to a T5 and installed the MS cable clutch.  My son did all the research in 2016 and ordered an ecu off ebay IIRC.  We had to change due to the manual transmission swap (or maybe it was the wrong year??).  We unwrapped and followed someone's formula for adapting it to his motor and transmission.  I'm not positive of the details, but we zip tied and labled all the various wire groups etc... It's been almost four years since we did it so I can't remember.

It is currently mounted under the dash just to the right and above the gas pedal.  A bracket for the ECU was cut out of the donor car and welded to the firewall so it's permanently mounted that way.  We thought we needed to bring it further inside and use the rubber grommet as the pass through, but after talking to Bullet Bob, we may not need to do that.  That's not a big deal, I can move it if need be.  It's the actual wiring relays and fuses and routing that I have limited experience with.  Also just knowing what needs to be fused, what amp fuses and what should be relayed.  Moving the battery to the back is a COOL idea.  I'm going to ask Ross what he thinks of that.  

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/14/2020 10:44 AM

Deb
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TremendousWand wrote:

1966 Mustang Coupe, 1988 5.0 Swap, GT40 Swap, EFI-MAF

Well I did just this.  Too long to go into the details but you really are better off just getting a full wiring kit. I bought the Ford EFI kit and the 1966 Mustang Chassis kit from Painless.  I also installed the Dakota Digital gauge set.  All in all just parts (wiring) ~$2400.  

Electrical work sucks.  No body likes to do it and you really can't get help from anyone else b/c it's impossible to track down problems w/o doing a deep dive.  Starting from scratch is the way to do it.  That way you know exactly what is there.  That's the bad news... good news is it's just a slow and steady job.  Work section by section.  Took me most 8 weeks of weekends on and off but I got it done.  Good crimper, good ground, good tape... 

Discussion forums help, but really what you are paying for is technical support.  Those painless guys are kind of assholes but you will get legit technical support rather than someone's best guess.  You need to think ahead to.  Going to add an audio system with an amp?  Going to run MDS setup? Electrical Fan?  A/C? Digitial Gauges???  Way easier to plan head now.

It wasn't easy but I ended up doing it all myself and because of exactly what you are trying to do.  The fool who wired the car before me just spliced and diced some junker cheapo harness to make it run and was a nightmare from the get go.  

I'm in the Dallas area.

All Duly Noted.  We are trying to stay cheap on this right now because he wants to have money for a good heat/ac system.  I have time to try to get it together before we rip it all out and start over, so if we can save some cash, great but we are ready to start from scratch if we have to.  I'll keep all your experience in mind..  Thanks!
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/12/2020 1:17 PM

Deb
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Thank you, John!!

Bullet Bob is going to help me sort out the spaghetti of the 5.0 harness.  Once I have some guidance there, and have a chance to actually clean it up a little, I'll post some 'before' photos.  Right now, I'm too embarrassed to.  All I can say is the car runs..........and moves under it's own power. 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/12/2020 12:16 PM

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Preliminary findings are that I need, at least, the motor side original wire harness for the guages.  Is ording something like this a good or bad idea?  I don't have an original.  Of course it's the cheapest one...lol  Automotive Electrical is not my strong point.  I had to get out the owners manual to figure out how to hook up the battery when I was ready to start my 66 for the first time.. Give me 110v any day.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Ford-Mustang-Gauge-Feed-Wiring-Harness-with-8-cylinder-Engine/273532119817?fits=Year%3A1966%7CModel%3AMustang&epid=2016101923&hash=item3fafc8eb09:g:J1gAAOSw8gVX2bOu


 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/11/2020 2:21 PM

Deb
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Thanks, Sally! I really would like to get rid of the glass fuses and have open spots for radio equipment etc...  I like that idea!

Noted, BobE. Will do!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/10/2020 8:08 AM

Deb
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6sally6 wrote:

.....The "prodigal son/daughter" RETURNZ!!!

6sally6
We be fix you up, gurrrrll!

 
Howdy, Sally!!!

Still frying’ bacon like a pro! Wish that skill could get me past this electrical issue though. First step is to move the computer to under the dash I think? 

I’m staring at this spaghetti mess of wires and walking away in disgust. I don’t know where to start with it.

The dash and heater box etc is completely disassembled so I have decent access to everything. The dash harness isn’t secured so that’s easy too.

Should I replace the old, glass fuse box with a new style?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1992 5.0 EFI w/ T/5 conversion into 65 wiring play by play needed » 10/09/2020 3:27 PM

Deb
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Hi, Guys

Been a while!  Hope y'all are doing well!

I am trying to button up the 65 (with 66 wiring) my son and I have been working on.  The motor runs and we have made it move, but at the moment there are 6 wires hooked to the 1965 starter solenoid, wires running all over the place, even through the windshield (no glass)  and no gauges plugged in working. The key components on the motor have the original fusible links in place .  I am assuming that I need to add a power distribution block Can anyone direct me to a wiring play by play plan for this conversion please?  I need ideas and to make sure the job is done safely, and properly fused.  He wants me to send it to California when he gets back from deployment so I have about 6 months to make it a driver and get it ready for him to help with the bodywork while he is on leave.

I am not particularly interested on dropping the money on a pre-fab wire harness because I've heard they are not great.  I DO have the original under dash harness and the engine compartment harness that powers the lights, but i appear to be missing the motor side harness to the '65 (66) that would connect the gauges to the sensors.  I want to hear y'all's suggestions before I track that down.

NOTE  we switched the under dash harness to a 66 to use the 66 gauges.  

Any suggestions/comments welcome!
Thanks!
Deb

 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ISO info on radiator for 1992 5.0 conversion into a 65 Mustang » 12/15/2016 3:22 PM

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Hey Steve!

​I don't know yet..the exhaust is still in the attic. I'll ask Ross to look for it this afternoon and report back.
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ISO info on radiator for 1992 5.0 conversion into a 65 Mustang » 12/13/2016 12:44 PM

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Ok.  I think I'll re-route the belt and go with the conversion radiator at least until the car is running. Then my son can decide if he wants to re-work it  with the MS method and sell the conversion radiator later.  Thanks for the diagram and the link,  Jeff and 50vert!

​This site hasn't changed a bit.  Thank you so much for all your help and suggestions!  Feel free to offer up any advice.  We plan to install the transmission over the weekend and get the motor at least cleaned up ready to go in the car.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ISO info on radiator for 1992 5.0 conversion into a 65 Mustang » 12/12/2016 6:18 PM

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Thanks Bob!

​50vert..yes sir.  we will be running air conditioning...
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ISO info on radiator for 1992 5.0 conversion into a 65 Mustang » 12/12/2016 5:43 PM

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Thanks Bob!  After searching around, I found a drop in conversion 3 row radiator from CJ PP for $260.  Since its pretty close to the price of the 20" you found, I think i'll go with it after all.  I was suffering sticker shock there for a bit!  I'm actually piecing together a Christmas gift for my son who I'm helping do this build.  I've never done a conversion before.

​Josh, thanks for the info about the smog pump..That was going to be our next question to search....and you answered it right there.  I assume there's a pulley kit available to do that?  If you have a secret part number for that..i'd love to have it.  As for the radiator hoses, I think I have resolved to use the 'conversion radiator' There's a set of hoses available for $50 so should I just use those?  I'll hold off ordering a while just in case I need to change it.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ISO info on radiator for 1992 5.0 conversion into a 65 Mustang » 12/12/2016 3:40 PM

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Thanks, Hornman... that would definitely be a consideration..but I have to buy a radiator anyway.  I don't have the stock radiator.  I've searched to try to find a drop in substitute for this application, but apparently i'm not finding it because it doesn't exist.  I can buy radiators all day long for as little as $100 so to have to pay $300 for one ....eek...

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ISO info on radiator for 1992 5.0 conversion into a 65 Mustang » 12/12/2016 1:25 PM

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Has anyone had success in finding a stock radiator for this conversion?  Or do I have no choice but to order one specifically marketed as a 'conversion' radiator?  If so, who would you recommend ordering from?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » New Member.. need help.. TIMING » 1/28/2014 12:52 PM

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I'm gonna take the liberty of correcting the identity of Gaba's motor itself to a '69 302 originally installed in a Fairlane or Torino.  We did confirm the crank is at least not 289 and the casting code under the starter dictates the engine is 302.

Gaba, message me or Larry and I will forward you a picture of your casting code. 

 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Makin old man modifications to some of my sockets. » 1/23/2014 12:19 PM

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I used one of those vibrating markers to put the numbers on my black sockets then spray painted them white and rubbed off the overspray....then I forgot what I was working on when I couldn't read the numbers on the sockets.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Best way to start body work » 1/23/2014 11:40 AM

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Depends on what you want the end result to be.  It's impossible to have a show car, or even a nice daily driver without taking the car apart.  If you don't want a perfect finish or a color change, do as Steve says and scuff it, (I would add that spraying a sealer before paint would be a wise move) and shoot it with a single state.  Your paint will only look as good as your masking care though.

If you start any bodywork,meaning bondo work you  have to remember that anything NOT professional grade that you topcoat it with will have to be sanded off later.  Most of the professional products (primer, epoxy, bondo, sealer) that you use to get a car ready to paint are not UV resistant.  That means you must paint within a window specified by the manufacturer or these products will turn to dust.  Also you simply can't 'handle' any of these finishes and expect to get the oils and debris off to paint it later.
 

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