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7/26/2021 7:59 PM  #1


Heap update...finally

I'm a little nervous about saying that I found the problem and all is well.  I think it is and I'll see if I can rack up a thousand miles or so in the next couple of weeks to prove it.
Seems it had two problems.  First, the custom grind I had done apparently had a little problem with what they are calling "runout".  Seems this happens sometimes and makes a few thousandths of a high spot on the heel of the cam.  This tends of pop the valve open a bit when it's supposed to be closed.  That kills manifold vacuum and causes generally crappy running.
In the course of trying to determine what I had done or what was wrong, I rebuilt the dizzy along with a lot of other attempts.  After the cam grinder told me how to determine if I had a cam problem...and I did...I got fed up with trying to make Ford EFI happy with aftermarket cams and installed a stock cam.  It fired right up and ran great...just like it used to do before I got "hot roditus".  That lasted until it got to  operating temperature, then it went to hell.  Unstable and poor idle and I noticed that the tach was indicating a loss of signal momentarily and randomly.  Ignition trouble.
So I started swapping parts:  plugs, wires, coil, TFI, dizzy cap...no help.  So today I pressed the dizzy apart and replaced the new Hall sensor with an old Motorcraft item.  Problem solved.  It now runs like it's supposed to.  Good steady idle, tach is steady, feels good...for a stocker.  I think I'll be happy  and if this lasts I'll say it's fixed.  

BB1


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

7/26/2021 8:21 PM  #2


Re: Heap update...finally

"hot roditus"
I see.

I hope you have a reliable engine now.


1968 T-code Coupe with a 302.  Nice car, no show stopper for sure, but I like it.
 

7/26/2021 10:08 PM  #3


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Woohoo.

Here's to a 100,000 trouble free miles. 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

7/26/2021 10:22 PM  #4


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So glad that cool looking Mustang is running as good as it looks!


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

7/27/2021 12:16 AM  #5


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 Way to be BB! Bulldog tenacity at it's best! I hope it keeps purring like a kitten for you. Glad you finally got it dialed in.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

7/27/2021 5:59 AM  #6


Re: Heap update...finally

So now that it runs right we go back to the bigger cam and start tuning the EFI again, right?

 

7/27/2021 6:26 AM  #7


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That is the only logical course of action.

 

7/27/2021 7:11 AM  #8


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TKOPerformance wrote:

So now that it runs right we go back to the bigger cam and start tuning the EFI again, right?

Ya know, I discovered that investing the time necessary for ME to get a handle on tuning a Ford EEC is not as much fun as I thought it would be.  Also, not as easy as I assumed it would be.  It came down to a matter of time, and I simply am not prepared to invest the hours its apparently is going to take ME to learn how to do it right...and I hate not doing things as right as I can. 
So I decided to just keep it simple and invest whatever time I have to things I've already learned or that I enjoy learning.  Understanding the relationship of a thousand parameters is not something I need to do.  Those parameters are what make EFI work so much better than a carb but I had to come to terms with the fact that I don't enjoy trying to master them.
So...sorry Sal, sorry Corky.  Maybe in time you can forgive me.
KISS! 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
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7/27/2021 7:36 AM  #9


Re: Heap update...finally

Bullet Bob wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

So now that it runs right we go back to the bigger cam and start tuning the EFI again, right?

Ya know, I discovered that investing the time necessary for ME to get a handle on tuning a Ford EEC is not as much fun as I thought it would be.  Also, not as easy as I assumed it would be.  It came down to a matter of time, and I simply am not prepared to invest the hours its apparently is going to take ME to learn how to do it right...and I hate not doing things as right as I can. 
So I decided to just keep it simple and invest whatever time I have to things I've already learned or that I enjoy learning.  Understanding the relationship of a thousand parameters is not something I need to do.  Those parameters are what make EFI work so much better than a carb but I had to come to terms with the fact that I don't enjoy trying to master them.
So...sorry Sal, sorry Corky.  Maybe in time you can forgive me.
KISS! 

BB - this logic is exactly why I keep mine 'mild' instead of 'wild'.  I think this is maybe an age-related issue!
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

7/27/2021 7:59 AM  #10


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BobE wrote:

Bullet Bob wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

So now that it runs right we go back to the bigger cam and start tuning the EFI again, right?

Ya know, I discovered that investing the time necessary for ME to get a handle on tuning a Ford EEC is not as much fun as I thought it would be.  Also, not as easy as I assumed it would be.  It came down to a matter of time, and I simply am not prepared to invest the hours its apparently is going to take ME to learn how to do it right...and I hate not doing things as right as I can. 
So I decided to just keep it simple and invest whatever time I have to things I've already learned or that I enjoy learning.  Understanding the relationship of a thousand parameters is not something I need to do.  Those parameters are what make EFI work so much better than a carb but I had to come to terms with the fact that I don't enjoy trying to master them.
So...sorry Sal, sorry Corky.  Maybe in time you can forgive me.
KISS! 

BB - this logic is exactly why I keep mine 'mild' instead of 'wild'.  I think this is maybe an age-related issue!
 

Wisdom related issue would be my take...

 

7/27/2021 8:53 AM  #11


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I installed an AFR gauge to give me the information I need to keep an eye on my carb performance.  I'm also in the "happy with a carburetor" club.  My car fires right up and is running smoothly. This makes me happy.


1968 T-code Coupe with a 302.  Nice car, no show stopper for sure, but I like it.
 

7/27/2021 10:39 AM  #12


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A very graceful quitter!!
J/K.......(you know that I'm sure!)
Your knowledge of FI tuning is somewhere toward "the-head-of-the-class" amongst this group of guyz!!!
I'm right there wid-gee as far as not 'tearing one apart just for the fun of putting it back together again'!
Just ain't as much fun as it once was. (Fun to talk about and watch other guys do it buuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttt)....

Enjoy the Heap ......
(until you start the build on the Fairlane )
6s6


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

7/27/2021 5:07 PM  #13


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6sally6 wrote:

A very graceful quitter!!
J/K.......(you know that I'm sure!)
Your knowledge of FI tuning is somewhere toward "the-head-of-the-class" amongst this group of guyz!!!
I'm right there wid-gee as far as not 'tearing one apart just for the fun of putting it back together again'!
Just ain't as much fun as it once was. (Fun to talk about and watch other guys do it buuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttt)....

Enjoy the Heap ......
(until you start the build on the Fairlane )
6s6

Thanks Sal...maybe it's a gettin' old thang...


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
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7/28/2021 5:54 AM  #14


Re: Heap update...finally

So either I'm not to that age yet where it kicks in, or I'm a statistical outlier I suppose

I wasn't being serious BB, just busting your stones.  In the end the hobby (read: obsession) is different for each of us.  That's ultimately what makes it so great.  If every car was built the same way there'd be little point to talking about it or looking at them. 

 

7/28/2021 6:22 AM  #15


Re: Heap update...finally

TKOPerformance wrote:

So either I'm not to that age yet where it kicks in, or I'm a statistical outlier I suppose

I wasn't being serious BB, just busting your stones.  In the end the hobby (read: obsession) is different for each of us.  That's ultimately what makes it so great.  If every car was built the same way there'd be little point to talking about it or looking at them. 

I know, and I understand, and I probably got it coming which is OK...bring it on.  You and Corky and Mike, and any others who wish to participate can beat me up at the next Bash to which we have all driven our cars.
And yes, you are not at that age yet and you may never get there which may be good for you.  But is not  good for me with this particular car.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
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7/28/2021 6:48 AM  #16


Re: Heap update...finally

Bullet Bob wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

So either I'm not to that age yet where it kicks in, or I'm a statistical outlier I suppose

I wasn't being serious BB, just busting your stones.  In the end the hobby (read: obsession) is different for each of us.  That's ultimately what makes it so great.  If every car was built the same way there'd be little point to talking about it or looking at them. 

I know, and I understand, and I probably got it coming which is OK...bring it on.  You and Corky and Mike, and any others who wish to participate can beat me up at the next Bash to which we have all driven our cars.
And yes, you are not at that age yet and you may never get there which may be good for you.  But is not  good for me with this particular car.

Well, its good for me if I never get there due to mentality I suppose.  If for other reason it could be bad...

The older I get the more I'm reminded of something my grandfather used to say: Getting old is terrible, but it beats the alternative!

 

7/28/2021 8:56 AM  #17


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Worst part is watching people I love have trouble....hate that.  So far Jean and I have been very fortunate.  Your granddad was right on.  My rule is to find something every day that puts a smile on my face 'cause there ain't no guarantees about tomorrow.
The Heap:  Just ran it up the hill east of us and back, a 15 mile climb of 2000 feet to 8k on cruise control at around 70 all the way.  Then I ran a 40 mile round trip north.  I really think it's a Happy Heap...me too.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
     Thread Starter
 

7/28/2021 10:04 AM  #18


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Bullet Bob wrote:

I really think it's a Happy Heap...me too.

I am thrilled to hear the you and the Heap are Happy.


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

7/28/2021 10:37 AM  #19


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RV6 wrote:

Bullet Bob wrote:

I really think it's a Happy Heap...me too.

I am thrilled to hear the you and the Heap are Happy.

Thanks Gary, maybe you'ens and us'ens will get to cruise to 'Bamma next year.
 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
     Thread Starter
 

7/29/2021 11:45 AM  #20


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Glad you figured it out BB.  Seems like there always something with these 50 year old plus cars.  

 

7/29/2021 1:41 PM  #21


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BB,

Stop by Dallas for a cold one on your way to Bama, if you want.


Mustang Steve Bash in Gruene, Texas September29-30, 2023
 

7/29/2021 2:10 PM  #22


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“There’s only 2 guarantees in life.”

And we know what those are.


Glad to hear the Heap is running well.

Perhaps you could teach us what ya did learn…during snow covered winter roads.

Have fun with new power plant.

 

7/29/2021 3:59 PM  #23


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Al:  What, you aren't going to the Bash in 'Bama next year?

Lt Dan:  Not a lot to tell.  Just download about three inches of paper (How to, why to, when to)  read it all...every word four or five times.  Buy a Moates Quarterhorse and plug it into your A9L, etc.  Download TunerPro (I recommend spending a few bux to get the RT version) or Tweeker,  load it into your Winders based laptop.  Rr-read all the info, maybe twice.  Download the base tune from whatever source you want to use...I was pretty happy with EECDynotuning.com (Decipha is the head cheeze, guru and uses TunerPro) and dive in.
When I went to the mini-bash in Waco in '19 I had the XE 266 cam and I thought it was running out of gas at the lower elevations.  That's when I bought the AFR gauge and a set of Siemens Deka 60 lb. injectors...way more that I would ever need but they are very linear and work fine at short pulse lengths.  I tuned it to work with them and a cobra Maf and the AFR heads.  Ran great until the mains died which had nothing to do with the mods  since I never twisted it over about 5300. 
There is a very good chance that I will leave the engine stock (except  the heads) but go back to the 95 PCM and custom tune for the 4r70w trans, I really liked that trans.  That'll be next year at the earliest since I promise not to touch it until after next year's bash.....PERIOD!!

 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
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