No amount of electronic assistance would help my singing.
As it seems to me that drivers are worse now then when I was growing up, so electric traction control would certainly help these drivers.  But it would help most drivers, as most drivers are not experienced enough with their vehicle to identify when things are going wrong and then correct for it.
Interesting, I remember reading when BMW was trying out their auto-lock brake sytem on taxi cabs in Germany.  They found that these cars were involved in more accidents.  Why? ... drivers were taking more risks then they normally would!

I have not sang publicly since grade seven when I performed at a high school talent night, LOL😂 Micheal Buble your job is safe.
As for driving I recently got a new DD because it had all of the latest driving aids.
5 years ago I would not have said this but like it or not, the fact is that sadly,  driving skill and ability does diminish with age.😞

I think there's some nuances to this dicussion.

There's factory traction control which is a safety feature and then there's the performance application of traction control. They are different and in the latter case a method to see some of the very fast times being put down in a lot of drag racing classes. Racers using technology is nothing new, yeah maybe it's all chips and transistors now instead of swiss-cheesing a chassis or moving weight forward, but at the heart it's all technology and engineering.

Or maybe I am full of it and embrace technology too much! Seems to me when you have 800+ horsepower on street legal tires and are either trying to get down the track or 'ehem aggressively accelerate down a freeway on-ramp I'll take the help!

Edit: I am literally wiring up my Lightning to make use of the Megasquirt's traction control offering

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They crash into your yard from both directions.  Why is that?

Rufus68 wrote:

They crash into your yard from both directions.  Why is that?

I actually have no idea, but even the local newspaper made sort of fun out of it. A locally very well known Swedish coffee company uses the phrase "when you get unexpected visitors" which was used as the caption under the pictures they published.

Hakan wrote:

Rufus68 wrote:

They crash into your yard from both directions.  Why is that?

I actually have no idea, but even the local newspaper made sort of fun out of it. A locally very well known Swedish coffee company uses the phrase "when you get unexpected visitors" which was used as the caption under the pictures they published.

Hmmm, what can distract drivers when no other reason is apparent....  you don't have a female that could possibly be distracting them do you? 

I've missed singing in choir these past 18 months.  A real singer sounds great no matter where they are and without any electronic crap.  My metric was always something like Saturday Night Live.  If they sounded good on SNL I knew they had talent because the acoustics there are terrible and its live so they can't use electronic help, unless they lip synch and that has proved disastrous for several acts over the years. 

Are drivers today worse, or are there just so many more cars on the road that the incidents of wrecks has increased due to volume?  Definitely they are distracted to a degree never seen before.

In general though the OEMs definitely keep making cars safer so people can continue to be idiots.  BUT, most people have no idea what to do in a dangerous situation because they've never trained for it.  We teach people to drive assuming all is well, and spend almost no time on what to do if its not.  The extent of avoidance training is typically the instruction saying "remember, if you start to slide steer into the skid".  You learn to fly they spend most of the time teaching you how to recover from bad situations.  We would have much better drivers if we adopted a similar approach. 
 

TKOPerformance wrote:

BUT, most people have no idea what to do in a dangerous situation  The extent of avoidance training is typically the instruction saying "remember, if you start to slide steer into the skid". 
 

Bill Cosby had a funny bit on steering into the skid. "What, that's like leaning into a punch. For you youngsters, Cosby used to be a stand up comic, before he was a felon.

TKOPerformance wrote:

Bearing Bob wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

BUT, most people have no idea what to do in a dangerous situation The extent of avoidance training is typically the instruction saying "remember, if you start to slide steer into the skid". 
 

Bill Cosby had a funny bit on steering into the skid. "What, that's like leaning into a punch. For you youngsters, Cosby used to be a stand up comic, before he was a felon.

I was heartbroken when all that stuff about him came out.  I must have watched his standup routine Fatherhood 200 times.  He was definitely funny, just apparently also a piece of #$%^.
 

He's out now!!
6s6
 

Just my two cents

My BMW 430i X-drive has all wheel drive and traction control.  It really comes in handy on rainy days when I need to accelerate and turn onto the highway coming out of my subdivision.  I just punch it and the car goes.  Way better than any of my other rear wheel drive cars.  Are my skills diminished?  You bet, but just plain old.  acceleration works better with all the electronics working.

427 powered 66 fastback on any dry road.  Let ‘em burn as much as possible!!!  The latest technology on that car is the Eaton Tru-Trac that definitely launches straighter than the old traction lock ever dreamed of.  I will take that technological breakthrough any day!

I posed the question, for fun, not to bring any insult to the use of electronic driver aides on the public roads, but because of the parallel I could see with these electronic devices and the electronic corrections Autotune provides to singers.  Actually, if I'm out driving on the roads I appreciate that I might be saved from the other drivers by them having electronic aides.  But also, if I'm going to be listening to anyone sing, I'd rather have them singing on key with the help of Autotune if they can't stay on key naturally.  It's just a parallel.