Late model wheels on my 66

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Posted by RTM
5/24/2024 7:09 AM
#1

Picked up some 17x8 and 17x10.5 wheels which I think were for a mid 90’s mustang.   I only got them as cheap rollers.   I have a Rod & Custom MII front end, DSE mini tubs with SoT rear three link.  If I hadn’t narrowed my rear axle the backs would have fit perfectly.  The fronts look like they will fit.  Need to change travel and turning clearance.   

I didn’t take a picture of the back of the rear rim.






 
Posted by Nos681
5/24/2024 8:13 AM
#2

6.27” backspacing?

Is the 235/55/17 going to be too tall?

Last edited by Nos681 (5/24/2024 8:14 AM)

 
Posted by MS
5/24/2024 8:20 AM
#3

Should work great as long as you don’t drive it!!!


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Posted by RTM
5/24/2024 10:50 AM
#4

I’ll have to look up or measure the BS on both.  Pretty sure the one picture shows the offset of the front rim. 

As for driving I don’t plan on driving on these wheels.  I have $75 invested in them.  I needed some to roll it around on.   I figured it was an extra bonus with the back rims being 10.5.  With both front and back rims I feel better about getting the correct BS I need by using these wheels to narrow it down.  Pretty sure I’ll get my money back when I sell them.

 
Posted by MS
5/24/2024 4:20 PM
#5

Absolutely a great purchase. Like you said, use them to determine the size that actually fits, then sell those for $150


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Posted by RTM
5/25/2024 10:17 AM
#6

So far I added a 5/8 spacer to the front and the only thing I see as an issue is the sway bolt but I can flip it and it should clear the inside of the rim.    I also snapped a picture of the tire size I want to use on the front.

The rear I added 0.75 and have room to go on the inside.  It’s very close to the rolled quarter panel lip and I have it about as low as the coil overs will allow me to adjust to.   I think 5/8 would yield the perfect BS for the rear and allow me to run an 11” rim, I don’t think the rims I want come in 10.5, only 10 or 11.   

The side shot is 1” higher than where the other pictures were taken.




 
Posted by RTM
5/25/2024 10:19 AM
#7



This shows the clearance to the inside on the rear.

 
Posted by 6sally6
5/25/2024 10:26 AM
#8

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Posted by Nos681
5/25/2024 2:01 PM
#9

I would suggest turning the wheels lock to lock to see if there are any other clearance issues.

Also suggest with wheels turned, run through travel to see if it hits fender.

Last edited by Nos681 (5/25/2024 2:05 PM)

 
Posted by RTM
5/25/2024 4:59 PM
#10

Nos681 wrote:

I would suggest turning the wheels lock to lock to see if there are any other clearance issues.

Also suggest with wheels turned, run through travel to see if it hits fender.

 
Already turned the front but not the suspension.   The sway bar bolt hits but if I flip the bolt then it would clear.  My plan is to go with a 7.5 front rim as long as it’s offered in the model I want.  Full turn it does hit the frame in the back but it did that with the correct tire size and 7.5 BS with the tire back spacing tool I have.  I need to disconnect the sway bar link so the suspension is easier to move.

The rear looks really good with the current setup and I think adding an 1/8 or 1/4 to the BS would really allow me slam the car down.  I have 1.25 from the tire to the closet point of contact on the inside.  I with the 11” rear rim that would take away 1/2 from that clearance and if I want an extra 1/4 of clearance for the quarter panel that would leave me 3/4 of clearance on the inside of the tire.  With a WATTS link I don’t think my axle will move that much. 

I would have done more but got called in for work ant 1:30 and just got back home.  Hopefully tomorrow is a day with more progress.

 
Posted by RTM
5/25/2024 5:00 PM
#11

I’m also thinking about having the correct tire size put on one of the front rims to get a better idea of fit.

 
Posted by RTM
5/26/2024 4:19 AM
#12


 
Posted by RTM
5/26/2024 10:44 AM
#13

Removed the axle bearings and got the MS brackets installed.  I forgot about the back rotor thickness yesterday when calculating the BS.   Happy to say with everything bolted in place the rear rims fit perfectly.   I think it’s 27mm offset which should be 6.81” BS. 





 
Posted by RTM
5/27/2024 10:46 AM
#14

The tire shop I use for all our cars mounted the test tire I had for the front for free.  The 17x8 actually clears everything except for the MTF bar I installed.  When I installed the I got it as close the inner fender as I could.   The tire clears at what should be ride height but when I compress the suspension the tire hits when turned the left.  A 5/8” spacer gains some extra clearance but not enough.   Not sure if 7” rim would be much better.   It may increase the overall diameter enough to hit which may cancel the affect of trying to use a narrower rim.   Pictures are with 5/8 spacer

The simplest thing would be to modify the bar for clearance.   I do like the position of the wheel with the 5/8” spacer.  Not as sunk into the wheel opening.



Last edited by RTM (5/27/2024 10:56 AM)

 
Posted by RTM
5/28/2024 3:43 AM
#15

After reading the R&C instructions, they really suggest running a 7” rim with 4-4.5 BS.  Going by my math the front wheel would now be at 4.7 if it was a 7” wide rim. So I feel safe with a7” rim and 4.5 BS.  Of course I’ll keep looking at it and thinking about it for a while, just to make sure I’m good with it. 

The back I’ll leave the BS as is and the extra 1/2 will go to the outside of the rim. So I’ll order an 11” wide rim with the 6.75 BS.  I have plenty of room for this and can still keep the wheel tucked up inside past the wheel lip. 

I’ve been stressing over all of this because it’s a lot of money to spend and make a mistake.

 
Posted by Nos681
5/28/2024 4:49 AM
#16

Looks very nice.

Might consider replacing the hex head bolt for sway bar with a button head bolt with an Allen head or Torx head.

A Foxbody trick for rear tire clearance.

Last edited by Nos681 (5/28/2024 4:50 AM)

 
Posted by BobE
5/28/2024 6:02 AM
#17

RTM wrote:

After reading the R&C instructions, they really suggest running a 7” rim with 4-4.5 BS. Going by my math the front wheel would now be at 4.7 if it was a 7” wide rim. So I feel safe with a7” rim and 4.5 BS. Of course I’ll keep looking at it and thinking about it for a while, just to make sure I’m good with it.

The back I’ll leave the BS as is and the extra 1/2 will go to the outside of the rim. So I’ll order an 11” wide rim with the 6.75 BS. I have plenty of room for this and can still keep the wheel tucked up inside past the wheel lip.

I’ve been stressing over all of this because it’s a lot of money to spend and make a mistake.

Just for an example - I have the R&C MII front end in my 65 Mustang and am running 15 x 7" American Racing wheels w/3.75" BS and 225/60 Goodrich T/A's.  While the back spacing doesn't meet the R&C recommendations, the front tires are close to the fenders but do not touch; the fender lips have been rolled a bit. 
 

Last edited by BobE (5/28/2024 6:03 AM)


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 
Posted by RTM
5/28/2024 6:41 AM
#18

BobE wrote:

RTM wrote:

After reading the R&C instructions, they really suggest running a 7” rim with 4-4.5 BS. Going by my math the front wheel would now be at 4.7 if it was a 7” wide rim. So I feel safe with a7” rim and 4.5 BS. Of course I’ll keep looking at it and thinking about it for a while, just to make sure I’m good with it.

The back I’ll leave the BS as is and the extra 1/2 will go to the outside of the rim. So I’ll order an 11” wide rim with the 6.75 BS. I have plenty of room for this and can still keep the wheel tucked up inside past the wheel lip.

I’ve been stressing over all of this because it’s a lot of money to spend and make a mistake.

Just for an example - I have the R&C MII front end in my 65 Mustang and am running 15 x 7" American Racing wheels w/3.75" BS and 225/60 Goodrich T/A's.  While the back spacing doesn't meet the R&C recommendations, the front tires are close to the fenders but do not touch; the fender lips have been rolled a bit. 
 

I have the 2” drop spindles on my R&C kit.  I am also running the 03 cobra brakes on the stock hub.  Not sure if the track width is any different from the MII rotors that come in the kit.

The 7” wide rim shows it can only be ordered with a max of 3.5 BS.   I need to call them and ask if I can get at least 4” of BS. 
 

 
Posted by RTM
5/28/2024 6:45 AM
#19

The 225/60 15 is 25.6” and the tire I have is a 225/45 17 and is 25” tall.  Both have the same width at 8.9”

 
Posted by RTM
5/28/2024 9:43 AM
#20

I called vintage Wheels and they can make the 17x7 with 4.25 back spacing.  They did advise me to confirm the caliper clearance using their drawing to fill in the different measurements.  He said the cobra calipers stick out more than standard calipers. 

It sucks I couldn’t have bought wheels two years ago.   They’ve jump over $200 a piece since I first stater looking at them. Ugh

 
Posted by BobE
5/29/2024 5:50 AM
#21

I should have included that I also have the 2" dropped spindles.  The calipers are the R&C supplied, that are from  "79-93 GM, Malibu, Monte Carlo, S-10".  Rotors are also the R&C supplied from "1975-1980, Granada, 11", 5-bolt"  I had no issues fitting the 15" wheels.  
I don't think the $200 price tag for the Vintage custom wheel is that outrageous ... in today's world. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 
Posted by RTM
5/29/2024 9:58 AM
#22

BobE wrote:

I should have included that I also have the 2" dropped spindles.  The calipers are the R&C supplied, that are from  "79-93 GM, Malibu, Monte Carlo, S-10".  Rotors are also the R&C supplied from "1975-1980, Granada, 11", 5-bolt"  I had no issues fitting the 15" wheels.  
I don't think the $200 price tag for the Vintage custom wheel is that outrageous ... in today's world. 

 
The wheels I want have gone up by over $200 in the last 2-3 years.  Roughly $620 apiece for the fronts and $690 apiece for the rears.

 
Posted by Steve69
5/29/2024 2:50 PM
#23

I like the look of the Black rims you have on there now.  

 
Posted by Nos681
5/30/2024 4:15 AM
#24

RTM wrote:

The 225/60 15 is 25.6” and the tire I have is a 225/45 17 and is 25” tall.  Both have the same width at 8.9”

 
According to your picture.

 
Posted by BobE
5/30/2024 5:40 AM
#25

RTM wrote:

BobE wrote:

I should have included that I also have the 2" dropped spindles.  The calipers are the R&C supplied, that are from  "79-93 GM, Malibu, Monte Carlo, S-10".  Rotors are also the R&C supplied from "1975-1980, Granada, 11", 5-bolt"  I had no issues fitting the 15" wheels.  
I don't think the $200 price tag for the Vintage custom wheel is that outrageous ... in today's world. 

 
The wheels I want have gone up by over $200 in the last 2-3 years. Roughly $620 apiece for the fronts and $690 apiece for the rears.

Now, IMO, that is an outrageous price for wheels.  Although, I do like the way they look.  
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 


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