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8/27/2023 5:11 AM  #1


Exhaust Manifolds

This might be a stupid question...
Are there better designed exhaust manifolds on the later 5.0 V8's and do these fit the old 289 heads?
Just curious...


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

8/27/2023 6:39 AM  #2


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

From what I've seen, though they all seem to run tubular headers the port is pinched way down so they can get a typical 3/8" bolt with a 9/16" head on it to secure the flange.  Why Ford did this I have no idea.  Aftermarket headers have unpinched ports by just using regular 3/8" header bolts with a 3/8" head.  I don't know if Fox Mustang headers fit early chassis, but I have two good used sets if you want to try.  PM me if interested. 

 

8/27/2023 9:21 AM  #3


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Foxbody factory headers do not fit 65-70 Mustang.  No way.

I have been using 289 Hipo reproduction iron manifolds. They don’t sound the same as headers, which you may say is good or bad, but they work quite well and do not cause problems.

Only difficulty I have encountered is on Edelbrock aluminum heads where a little aluminum has to be ground off so the manifold body clears where the deck on the head is thicker than stock. 

There are aftermarket “stock” manifolds being produced now that may or may not be an improvement.


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8/27/2023 4:09 PM  #4


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

MS wrote:

Foxbody factory headers do not fit 65-70 Mustang.  No way.

I have been using 289 Hipo reproduction iron manifolds. They don’t sound the same as headers, which you may say is good or bad, but they work quite well and do not cause problems.

Only difficulty I have encountered is on Edelbrock aluminum heads where a little aluminum has to be ground off so the manifold body clears where the deck on the head is thicker than stock. 

There are aftermarket “stock” manifolds being produced now that may or may not be an improvement.

Thanks for the heads up on that.
I am very uncertain about headers and definitely would never go with long tube headers (which they say perform the best), so I think manifolds are probably what I will stay with, unless someone can convince me otherwise.
Reading up on dyno test comparisons between the hipo manifolds and stock manifolds, there is basically no difference with performance. Surprising to me...


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8/27/2023 4:49 PM  #5


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

I patently disagree that long tube headers perform the best.  They tend to make the best peak HP and torque numbers on a dyno.  However, they also tend to have a fairly glaring flat spot in the torque curve right in the mid range, where shorty headers tend to shine.  In a racing application long tubes are probably going to be superior, but on the street shorties make more average power where you will actually use it over a dynamic RPM range. 

I tend to put shorty headers on everything.  On a stock engine are you trading a lot of power by using HiPo manifolds instead?  Probably not. 
 

 

8/27/2023 6:10 PM  #6


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Where is all the love for try-y headers.


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8/27/2023 8:48 PM  #7


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Rudi wrote:

Where is all the love for try-y headers.

 
If I had half a brain I would've bought or made a set. Tri-Ys rule.


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8/27/2023 9:06 PM  #8


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

I looked at the cast iron GT ones but decided on the lighter try-y headers.
The stock tri-y’s that I have needed to be modified to accommodate the wider AOD,
The ceramic coating had to be removed at the welded joints. The welded areas were painted with silver bbq paint.


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8/28/2023 2:03 AM  #9


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Rudi wrote:

I looked at the cast iron GT ones but decided on the lighter try-y headers.
The stock tri-y’s that I have needed to be modified to accommodate the wider AOD,
The ceramic coating had to be removed at the welded joints. The welded areas were painted with silver bbq paint.

I didn't know that Tri-y's were available in cast iron? I'd be interested in knowing where these can be purchased from?
I think I prefer the idea of cast iron with regards to fitting and sealing.


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8/28/2023 9:52 AM  #10


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Rudi didn't say that the Tri-Ys were available in cast iron. He said he looked at the cast iron manifold that MS mentioned, but decided on the lighter Tri- Y header.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/28/2023 2:47 PM  #11


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Thanks for clarifying that Bob, sometimes me old fingers don’t pass on what my old brain is trying to make a point of.🤪


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8/28/2023 5:28 PM  #12


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Maybe it's 'the-power-of-suggestion'.....I don't know butt......the slight tic-tic-tic of long tube headers at idle and low speed sure make me smile !!          (Heck....it could be leaky flange gaskets I don't know)
Floor shifters don't make a car any faster but........sure looks cooler'n column shifters.
Same with 4 tube long headers.....  just part of "the package" IMHO.
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8/28/2023 7:17 PM  #13


Re: Exhaust Manifolds



I found this on Facebook marketplace.  Says ford manifolds $25 each.  Correct me if I am wrong, but the bottom left sure looks a lot like a hipo manifold.

These are located in Illinois, about 75 miles Northwest of Terry.


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8/28/2023 9:34 PM  #14


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

It appears to be the driver side but you’ll need the right as well.


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8/29/2023 8:01 AM  #15


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

I've been researching it, because I thought about a road trip today.  It's more than likely a Maverick/Comet  GT manifold.   I'm guessing that because the one above it looks like the opposite.

That must have been a mismatched design😁??  Anyways, no way to know for sure unless one went and looked.    All that said, if its not a hipo, its the closest Ford design there is short of a reproduction,  and it works on the drivers side.

My interest is I may need some type of manifolds for the 63 Gal.   The original manifolds on that car are the same as 1965 Mustang.   May need a backup plan if the headers I have planned for it (1987) f series do not wind up fitting, after keeping the column shift. Looking at options.


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8/29/2023 9:09 PM  #16


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Greg B wrote:



I found this on Facebook marketplace. Says ford manifolds $25 each. Correct me if I am wrong, but the bottom left sure looks a lot like a hipo manifold.

These are located in Illinois, about 75 miles Northwest of Terry.

That one looks to me like a 351w manifold.  Don't know about the rest although I recognize some of them.
 


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8/30/2023 3:36 AM  #17


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

I was wondering about hipo manifolds, but after dyno test comparisons shown in the article I read, they claim there is no benefit to them when compared to stock manifolds. Surprised me...

Last edited by Toploader (8/30/2023 3:37 AM)


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8/30/2023 5:44 AM  #18


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Toploader wrote:

I was wondering about hipo manifolds, but after dyno test comparisons shown in the article I read, they claim there is no benefit to them when compared to stock manifolds. Surprised me...

My guess is that the HiPo manifolds made more power on the HiPo, otherwise Ford wouldn't have bothered to create them in the first place.  However, all the power may well be gained in the upper RPM range where a regular hydraulic cam 289 or 302 isn't going to be able to go. 
 

 

8/30/2023 5:53 AM  #19


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

TKOPerformance wrote:

Toploader wrote:

I was wondering about hipo manifolds, but after dyno test comparisons shown in the article I read, they claim there is no benefit to them when compared to stock manifolds. Surprised me...

My guess is that the HiPo manifolds made more power on the HiPo, otherwise Ford wouldn't have bothered to create them in the first place.  However, all the power may well be gained in the upper RPM range where a regular hydraulic cam 289 or 302 isn't going to be able to go. 
 

I'm just not sure... Did you see the article where they did dyno runs and documented the torque and power outputs at set rpms and then compared between the stock manifold and the hipo manifold? There was basically no difference from what I read. Well... Maybe .02 or something.
So yeah, I don't know...


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8/30/2023 7:52 AM  #20


Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Toploader wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

Toploader wrote:

I was wondering about hipo manifolds, but after dyno test comparisons shown in the article I read, they claim there is no benefit to them when compared to stock manifolds. Surprised me...

My guess is that the HiPo manifolds made more power on the HiPo, otherwise Ford wouldn't have bothered to create them in the first place.  However, all the power may well be gained in the upper RPM range where a regular hydraulic cam 289 or 302 isn't going to be able to go. 
 

I'm just not sure... Did you see the article where they did dyno runs and documented the torque and power outputs at set rpms and then compared between the stock manifold and the hipo manifold? There was basically no difference from what I read. Well... Maybe .02 or something.
So yeah, I don't know...

The article I remember seeing was in Mustang and Fords and only ran the engine to 4,800RPM (redline for a non HiPo 289).  At that RPM I wouldn't expect anything from HiPo manifolds.  HiPos were designed to run north of 6,000RPM.  I'll bet an A code 289 makes more torque at 3,000RPM than a HiPo too.  The two engines have the same displacement, but beyond that are really quite different animals.  In the end the question on any engine part being "good", "better", etc. has to do with the intended use and the combination.  If you have or plan a cam, heads, etc. then I would bet the HiPo manifolds are better than the standard ones, though probably not quite as good as headers.  If its a stock cam engine then its probably not worth anything other than bragging rights. 

 

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