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    1/11/2020 2:55 PM  #1

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    Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    I pulled the timing chain cover to facilitate removing the sheared off dip-stick tube and found this.



    There is slack in the chain but look at the oil slinger. What the hell did I do wrong when I put this together. I think I'll go ahead and replace the chain.  Any preferred timing sets for this little 289. The engine came out of a 65 Comet if that makes any difference. 

    Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
     

    1/11/2020 3:44 PM  #2

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    As it turns out I installed the slinger on the wrong side of the gear. Next problem. How to get the cam gear off the cam. The thing is stuck on really good, or bad, depending on how you look at it.
     

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    1/11/2020 4:23 PM  #3

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Got the gear and chain off the cam. A little heat works wonders. The slinger is a real work of art. The also be made out of unobtainium. 


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    1/11/2020 4:28 PM  #4

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    I just looked back at the logs and best as I can tell the engine has 73,000 miles since last teardown. The logs are a little sketchy. Maybe it's time I build the 86 5.0 roller sitting in the garage. 

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    1/11/2020 4:46 PM  #5

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    This is what I used on the ‘92 engine.
    I thought it is well made and no more slack.

    https://lmr.com/item/CCA-2138/Mustang-Timing-Chain-Set-50-58L-Magnum-Double-Roller

     

    1/11/2020 4:50 PM  #6

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    This is what I used on the 289.
    Sally’s kind of music.
    I never had another bent valve.

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7890/

     

    1/11/2020 4:58 PM  #7

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Sally's music was good 40 years ago. I think I'll go with something like the first timing set you posted.

    Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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    1/11/2020 5:02 PM  #8

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    What?  I can’t hear you? What?
    😂😂😂

     

    1/11/2020 5:17 PM  #9

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    I used the Summit brand (I think) when I replaced the gear drive.  I got the one with a 6 degree key way cause I wanted to advance my cam timing.
    Gear drive is cool in 'a-buddies-car' butt everyday/long trip.....started sounding like a water pump  going bad.
    Mak'em thank ye got a supercharger!!!
    6sal6

    Take the oil slanger and with your right hand open the garage door and with your left hand......see how fer you can slang it!!!
    Don't need it.
    IF you are worried about oiling the cam/distributor/crank gear you can drill a small(tiny) hole  from the lifter valley so oil will slowly drip down and lube.
    I didn't and have had zero problems

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    1/11/2020 5:58 PM  #10

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Ford Raving makes a nice chain set if you are looking for the adjustability. Otherwise, get a Cloyes.

    Mike’s idea with the slinger is pretty good. I think it’s main purpose was to help offset oil leaks due to the technology at the time.

    John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
     

    1/11/2020 6:05 PM  #11

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Bolted to Floor wrote:

    Ford Raving makes a nice chain set if you are looking for the adjustability. Otherwise, get a Cloyes.

    Mike’s idea with the slinger is pretty good. I think it’s main purpose was to help offset oil leaks due to the technology at the time.

    Hows the new engine coming along?
     

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    1/11/2020 6:23 PM  #12

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    If memory serves, the slinger goes on the outside of the crank gear to keep oil away from the timing cover seal reducing oil leaks...

    Good, fast or cheap. Pick any two...
     

    1/11/2020 6:27 PM  #13

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    zakdaddy99 wrote:

    If memory serves, the slinger goes on the outside of the crank gear to keep oil away from the timing cover seal reducing oil leaks...

    Yeah, I sorta figured that one out. I muffed up 25 years ago when the front of this engine was put together. What bothers me is what else I may have muffed up.

     

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    1/11/2020 6:47 PM  #14

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    RV6 wrote:

    Bolted to Floor wrote:

    Ford Raving makes a nice chain set if you are looking for the adjustability. Otherwise, get a Cloyes.

    Mike’s idea with the slinger is pretty good. I think it’s main purpose was to help offset oil leaks due to the technology at the time.

    Hows the new engine coming along?
     

    that should have been racing....not raving. 

    slow on the motor. It’s out and apart. I need to post some pics now that I can doing from a phone. 

    John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
     

    1/11/2020 6:48 PM  #15

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Rabbit Hole 101, RV6 edition. I'm guessing you never had an analysis of your oil thru Blackstone or another place. Just sayin'. Even though the back side (per your installation) has the flange displaced some, the front lost some metal that went somewhere. You gonna check the bearings?

    I like Cloyes double roller, but only if they're installed correctly I bet your standby motor is looking mighty tempting about now. Hang in there G.

    How much trouble is changing a dip stick tube anyway?

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    1/12/2020 7:34 AM  #16

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Oil slinger’s job is to lube the fuel pump eccentric. Just reinstall in correct position and it will be fine.   Your chain slack is not much worse that what your new chain will have after 10,000 miles, but a replaceent is cheap.

    Sounds like the WYAIT MONSTER is after you, big time.

    Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
     

    1/12/2020 11:37 AM  #17

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    I waffled about replacing the chain/gears. Then I looked at the teeth using my electron microscope. New timing chain set on order. The slinger cleans up pretty good and should sling lots of oil with the patented paddles.


     

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    1/12/2020 3:33 PM  #18

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    Bearing Bob wrote:

    Rabbit Hole 101, RV6 edition. I'm guessing you never had an analysis of your oil thru Blackstone or another place. Just sayin'. Even though the back side (per your installation) has the flange displaced some, the front lost some metal that went somewhere. You gonna check the bearings?

    I like Cloyes double roller, but only if they're installed correctly I bet your standby motor is looking mighty tempting about now. Hang in there G.

    How much trouble is changing a dip stick tube anyway?

    Dip stick tube changing is harder than you think. Once the cover was off I used a center finding punch of the correct size to drive out the remains of the "Tube" and it was really cemented in there. There was no way the remains were going to be exhumed with the cover installed. 

    Installed correctly! Bwahahaha! I deserve the kick in the ribs. I just ordered a Cloyes double roller. I'll get the "New and Improved" slinger installed correctly this time. 

    I'm just glad I enjoy working on the beast. 
     

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    1/12/2020 3:36 PM  #19

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    MS wrote:

    Oil slinger’s job is to lube the fuel pump eccentric. Just reinstall in correct position and it will be fine. Your chain slack is not much worse that what your new chain will have after 10,000 miles, but a replaceent is cheap.

    Sounds like the WYAIT MONSTER is after you, big time.

    Ok Steve, I'll bite. What is a WYAIT MONSTER?
     

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    1/12/2020 4:09 PM  #20

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

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    This is what I used on the 289.
    Sally’s kind of music.
    I never had another bent valve.

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7890/

    Dan, 
    You actually ran one of those noise makers?

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    1/12/2020 4:13 PM  #21

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    “While you’re at it” makes a ton more money for Mustang parts sellers than any other aspect of the Mustang hobby.

    Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
     

    1/12/2020 5:20 PM  #22

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    RV6 wrote:

    MS wrote:

    Oil slinger’s job is to lube the fuel pump eccentric. Just reinstall in correct position and it will be fine. Your chain slack is not much worse that what your new chain will have after 10,000 miles, but a replaceent is cheap.

    Sounds like the WYAIT MONSTER is after you, big time.

    Ok Steve, I'll bite. What is a WYAIT MONSTER?
     

     
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    1/12/2020 7:34 PM  #23

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    6sally6 wrote:

    RV6 wrote:

    MS wrote:

    Oil slinger’s job is to lube the fuel pump eccentric. Just reinstall in correct position and it will be fine. Your chain slack is not much worse that what your new chain will have after 10,000 miles, but a replaceent is cheap.

    Sounds like the WYAIT MONSTER is after you, big time.

    Ok Steve, I'll bite. What is a WYAIT MONSTER?
     

     
    While Your Already In There MONSTER (a very expensive booger)

    Bwahahaha! I be there!
     

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    1/13/2020 9:12 AM  #24

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!

    RV6 wrote:

    Nos681 wrote:

    This is what I used on the 289.
    Sally’s kind of music.
    I never had another bent valve.

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7890/

    Dan, 
    You actually ran one of those noise makers?

    I sure did....and it was my daily driver too.  It’s still in 289.

    BTW, can’t use your patented oil slinger with gear drive.
    AND you have to internally modify the timing cover.
    Have to remove drip/splash rail inside.
    I’m sure the gear drive kept everything lubricated on front end.

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    Re: Pulled Timing Chain Cover, found this!



    Gary, you’re not the only one.
    The monster caught me too.
    I have shorter legs.
    I have steering, suspension, and brakes apart on front.

     

     

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