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1/30/2020 9:05 AM  #1


My air compressor does not like this weather?

Trying to get car painted, but compressor decided to freeze up! I put my furnace and air compressor in a small lean to on the outside back wall of my shop. With all this variation in temps and humidity the condensation inside the pump on the compressor has been severe. Big problem is it has frozen to the point the thing is un-rotatable. I have opened furnace hot air duct to get enough heat into the lean-to so it has thawed out enough to run. Oil in the pump looks like heavily creamed coffee. I have drained it and refilled but next morning looks the same. Anyone know of an oil or flush to clean out all the moisture? If I am in the middle of painting and it takes a dump, that would be expensive bad. Compressor is a Curtis Toledo three cylinder 5 horse two stage. I would rather not have to take it all apart to clean.
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1/30/2020 9:16 AM  #2


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

we could always set it up at MY house where it never gets that cold.......maybe run a loooooong hose.... Just a thought!


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1/30/2020 10:23 AM  #3


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

Letting it cycle from cold to warm, etc., will draw moisture into the sump.  Also, it may not be getting warm enough to help evaporate any moisture in the system.  You could try a space heater pointed at the sump area and run that continuously to keep the oil warm and limit the amount of cold moist air that it sucks back in as it cools.  You could also look into an engine block heater if the compressor has a dipstick.  I think using heat tape that you would use on gutters, for example, might be a fairly easy fix.  Try to keep the sump/case at 70 degrees F or higher.  Not sure how far away your compressor is from your garage but it you can draw warm air into the compressor intake you may also get less moisture into the pistons which could pass into the sump.

 

1/30/2020 6:11 PM  #4


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

I like the idea of a warm air intake.

My first thought was wrap in an electric blanket or heating pad!! Stay clear of the belt.


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1/30/2020 7:16 PM  #5


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

In reciprocating aircraft engines it needs to run the oil temp above 180ºf to "burn" off the condensation in the oil and crankcase.


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1/30/2020 7:32 PM  #6


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

My advice - wait till spring.  You don't want to paint in the cold.  You want a constant warm place for the booth.  Paint does not dry properly when not warm.  And you will be cold too.


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1/31/2020 10:34 AM  #7


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

When I built my garage years ago I mounted the furnace on the outside back wall with the ducts through the wall. That puts the fire outside my very fume filled building. The furnace is big enough to maintain good temp inside for painting. My problem is that I built a lean-to big enough to house my compressor as well. This compressor is 30 years old and still pumps up from empty in same amount of time it took when new, so I don't think it is completely shot. Just recently it started to freeze up like this which is due to the weather pattern we are having right now with high humidity and fluctuating temps that freeze at night. I don't heat the garage round the clock unless I am painting. I thought about a calrod heating element in the drain plug hole, but the splasher hits it.
I may try the no freeze tapes around the crank case to keep it warm enough to minimize condensation.
But, I still need to get the excess of moisture out that is in there right now. I need to find some kind of flush or oil that can absorb the moisture and get it out.

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1/31/2020 11:09 AM  #8


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

A down stream air drier that uses a desiccant medium is a good idea for painting and sand/bead blasting. An other idea is an automatic drain plug that drains the excess condensation accumulated.


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1/31/2020 11:36 AM  #9


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

Are you running non-detergent air compressor oil or an automotive oil?  Most air compressor specific oils are designed to minimize the mixing of water and oil.  One site suggested running the compressor continuously using a buffer or some other tool to get it good and hot and then continue to run.  Proper oil (not assuming you are not using the proper oil now) and minimizing hot to cold cycles (keeping the sump heated) should straighten it out.  

Here are some suggestions  https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/864/flush-gearbox 

Another method that may help in your case is to use a low pressure desiccant dried air source which blows continuously through the sump.  We're talking 1 psi or less.  Basically, by creating a slight positive pressure in the sump when running or not running, cold air from the outside will not enter the sump as it cools down.  So, a small dryer and very low pressure regulator are all that may be needed.  Also, you can buy desiccant breathers to use on the sump.  Rather than venting to air, install a desiccant breather.  When the compressor cools, it will pull dried air into the sump.

Some sites recommend a double flush to get the current water out.  Drain completely, refill, drain, and fill again.  If there is residual goo below the drain plug, you could try to suck some of that out with a small tube with vacuum or a syringe.
 

 

2/01/2020 7:13 AM  #10


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

Maybe something as simple as shining a infra-red spot lite on it before and during its uses

 

2/01/2020 8:57 AM  #11


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

Is there room to install an electric heat element under base of compressor to keep oil warm?
I would also install a thermostat control so it doesn’t run all of time, just when cold.

Heat tape for roof or pipes may be a good idea for tank so condensation doesn’t freeze and plug drain on tank. I would place insulation around tank over the pipe wrap. Just like a hot water tank.  I like the idea of the automatic system too as well as the desiccant for air intake.

You could make a simple intake with some pvc pipe that directs intake air through desiccant.
Just make sure it large enough and it doesn’t inhale desiccant into compressor.
If it could draw warm air from shop would help as mentioned already.

Could also use some rigid insulation (reflective too) and surround the compressor as well.
Then there’s the reflective bubble wrap.

Last edited by Nos681 (2/01/2020 9:06 AM)

 

2/02/2020 2:52 PM  #12


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

The oil in it now is 20W nondetergent motor oil as was the recommended oil when I bought the unit years ago. Looks like my best approach is to drain and refill with the new synthetic stuff that is not supposed to suck up the moisture as badly. Hopefully a few changes will get enough of the moisture out of the crankcase so it doesn't continue to freeze up. It just hit 50 degrees here today, so good day to change oil. I have an air dryer I use when I paint so the air is not the problem just the fact the compressor lives out in the cold.

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2/06/2020 10:39 AM  #13


Re: My air compressor does not like this weather?

Have you thought  about running a heat duct from your furnace to your air compressor lean-to? That should give you enough heat to keep your compressor from freezing up in the winter and in the summer you can close the duct  to the lean-to. Be sure to insulate the duct work if you run it on the outside. Side note if your lean-to is not inclosed you may want to wall it up  if you run a heat duct to the lean-to.

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