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Congrats, it looks like it has a good home.
Fugedabout the Borgenson and R&P steering upgrade, go with EPAS
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The garage looks much better! 😎
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Congrats.
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kardad wrote:
I couldn’t add a photo to the last post, but to update those, the 68 is in need of a good cleaning and detail, but it’s back home in my garage.
Thanks everyone for the comments and opinions on this he F100 & Coupe
Next I’ll have to start the discussion between Borgenson and R&P steering upgrade.
If you go with Borgesen, I have their rag joint steering coupler for your application, brand new. I ordered the wrong one and waited too long to return it. It's borgesen 990016. If you go the borgesen route, shoot my a private message for further details.
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Glad you were able to get it back. Having a Borgeson, and having researched R&P systems thoroughly before I purchased and installed it I'm with Rudi of EPAS. If I had it to do over that's what I'd do.
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Nice looking 68. I know nothing about aftermarket PS except what I read. The factory setup works great but can be a pain in the arse. Were I to change out the factory for another I would go the EPAS route as there are no hoses or fluids to contend with. The factory clutch linkage works well with EPAS also.
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Agreed...I have a Borg-box and for the most part it works fine. Butt (TS&T) if I ever do another...don't hold your breath...I'll go with a homebrew EPAS.
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Borgeson is still 50 year old technology and just about every R&P reduces turn radius.
The EPAS that I built connects with an original manual steering set up, no interference with exhaust and original turn in.
There are kits for EPAS out there or if you are handy as you seem to be you can roll your own for a lot less money.
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Doing the EPAS is a great mod, but if you want improved steering, you STILL have to install a new or rebuilt steering box. Add $$$
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Rudi wrote:
The EPAS that I built connects with an original manual steering set up
If I you, I would get a rebuilt power steering box from Chockostang. The odds of getting a low mileage manual box without much wear is slim. The power boxes show little wear due to the Ford power steering design doesn't put stress on the box.
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This was a factory PS car that I converted to manual and the box is still fairly tight.
Borgeson
R&P
EPAS
Factory
They all have their pros and cons, I don’t intend to race, I I just want steering that is a little lighter to cruise around, and reliable. The 235-45-17’s get a little tiring.
I appreciate everyone’s opinion and experience,
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Bearing Bob wrote:
Rudi wrote:
The EPAS that I built connects with an original manual steering set up
If I you, I would get a rebuilt power steering box from Chockostang. The odds of getting a low mileage manual box without much wear is slim. The power boxes show little wear due to the Ford power steering design doesn't put stress on the box.
I used a Flaming River box when I had the O/E power steering set up. When I put the EPAS in the car the FR box seemed a bit loose at center which I could not adjust out.
I contacted Dan at Chockostang and he set me up with a rebuilt SMB-K 16- 1 box.
Dan has a stellar reputation for rebuilding Ford steering boxes. He can rebuild yours or sell you one off the shelf.
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The biggest downside with the OE manual boxes is that they are like 30 turns lock to lock. I'd look for something in the 14:1 ratio range.
They all do have their downsides, and upsides, but IMO EPAS is still the best best. Maybe not the cheapest, but the best. Especially when you consider the ability to have speed sensitive steering.
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TKOPerformance wrote:
The biggest downside with the OE manual boxes is that they are like 30 turns lock to lock. I'd look for something in the 14:1 ratio range.
They all do have their downsides, and upsides, but IMO EPAS is still the best best. Maybe not the cheapest, but the best. Especially when you consider the ability to have speed sensitive steering.
I never heard of a 30 turn lock to lock in a Ford unless it was a manual steering army truck from the 1930 era. As far as 16:1 versus 14:1, you must be kidding!
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For the 65/66 cars, there were 4 turn & 5 turn boxes. I'm not sure about the 67/68 boxes, but I really do understand "exaggeration to make a point". Is it really a lie????
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Standard manual steering is 19.9-1 ratio (4 5/8 turns) and power steering are 16-1 ratio (3 3/4 turns), I've driven both and it makes a huge difference.
When I switched the 66 from a factory manual to a Flaming River 14-1 I thought I was going to wreck the car the first time around the block.
Right now I am most interested in reliability,
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1964-1970 Mustangs have two basic ratios:
1. 19.9:1 ratio, 4 5/8 turns lock-to-lock, used on all low performance
manual steering cars.
2. 16:1 ratio, 3 3/4, used on all cars with power steering and on manual
steering high performance cars (Shelbys, Bosses, GTs, Mach 1s, etc),
optional?
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