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6/16/2020 2:18 PM  #1


Sunburn

Short sleeve TIG work should not be done. I have leather sleeves but did not bother to wear them during my practice sessions. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

6/16/2020 3:27 PM  #2


Re: Sunburn

I've seen worst. Go to oz where you can get burnt on top under a full head of hair....

 

6/16/2020 3:28 PM  #3


Re: Sunburn

I had a similar experience using a stick welder years ago.  I was wearing a V-Neck T-shirt and had this nice triangle 'burn' at the neckline.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

6/16/2020 3:30 PM  #4


Re: Sunburn

Education is not free. Now show us some beads.

Last edited by Bearing Bob (6/16/2020 3:31 PM)


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

6/16/2020 3:32 PM  #5


Re: Sunburn

Welcome to welder's tan.  Done it many times myself.  Welding throws off UVA, UVB, and UVC radiation, the same as the sun.  A direct link between it and skin cancer has not really been established, but its not impossible.  I figure the amount of times I've given myself welders tan is pretty insignificant compared to how many times I've been tanned/burned by the sun.  I can't find information about the concentration of those rays compared to sunlight either, and my guess is a blind study would be impossible/unethical because of a lack of way to control for sunlight exposure vs. welding exposure unless you kept a group of people inside their whole lives and only allowed them to weld to see if they developed cancer.  Sounds like something the Nazis would have devised...

 

6/16/2020 3:54 PM  #6


Re: Sunburn

Bearing Bob wrote:

Education is not free. Now show us some beads.

Not yet my friend. I started out with 1/8" mild steel coupons just learning to control the torch. First attempt I stuffed the tungsten into the puddle, Oops. I finally got to the point where I could run the torch in a straight line and I could see progress. Sooo, I decided to add filler rod to the mix. I'm getting tired of grinding tungsten.

Yesterday and today's training sessions I decided to try my left hand for controlling the torch figuring my right hand would be better at feeding filler rod. I flew with my left hand, drive with my left hand so why not TIG weld with my left hand is my thought process. Call me crazy, but this is a learning process. 

Machine is setup as simple as I could get it. High Frequency start, 120 Amp maximum on the pedal, DCEN and 5 seconds post flow on the gas.

When I get a decent looking stack-o-dimes I'll inform the board. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
     Thread Starter
 

6/16/2020 4:02 PM  #7


Re: Sunburn

TKOPerformance wrote:

Welcome to welder's tan.  Done it many times myself.  Welding throws off UVA, UVB, and UVC radiation, the same as the sun.  A direct link between it and skin cancer has not really been established, but its not impossible.  I figure the amount of times I've given myself welders tan is pretty insignificant compared to how many times I've been tanned/burned by the sun.  I can't find information about the concentration of those rays compared to sunlight either, and my guess is a blind study would be impossible/unethical because of a lack of way to control for sunlight exposure vs. welding exposure unless you kept a group of people inside their whole lives and only allowed them to weld to see if they developed cancer.  Sounds like something the Nazis would have devised...

Way back in Jr High School I took a Metal Shop class, 8th grade I think. We learned to stick weld one week and after the first day I had a nice V on my chest as all young men back then did not button the shirt to the top. I wear my sleeves when MIG welding so why I did not with the TIG is up to discussion. 
More lessons tomorrow with sleeves. I can practice about an hour before I loose focus and start muffing up.

 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
     Thread Starter
 

6/16/2020 4:07 PM  #8


Re: Sunburn

I think using your left hand for the torch makes sense.  When stick welding I use my right hand, which is controlling really only the filler rod once I've started the arc.  So with TIG that's what my right hand would be doing.  Plus if you're using a foot control you are starting and maintaining the arc with the pedal, so the left hand is really just a holder. 
 

 

6/16/2020 4:07 PM  #9


Re: Sunburn

Bearing Bob wrote:

Education is not free. Now show us some beads.

Luckily that was mild.

And I was thinkin’ Nawlins when he said beads. 😜

 

6/16/2020 4:10 PM  #10


Re: Sunburn

For sunburn at its worst I would have to say Waikiki Beach at high noon.  The Hawaiian sun is brutal.  I was in it for like 20 minutes and it sunburned my shoulders, my forehead, and the tops of my feet only because I was standing up. 

 

6/16/2020 5:37 PM  #11


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Gary, this may be old news but good info none the less. Have a dedicate stone wheel on your grinder for tungsten, you don't want to contaminate them. Chuck the tungsten electrode in your cordless drill and spin it on the wheel to sharpen the tip. At the minimum clean the metal to be welded with acetone or lacquer thinner. So you're already tired of grinding electrodes eh? It'll get less frequent as you learn. I still like to have a handful of electrodes ready to use when my Parkinson shake jumps in.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

6/16/2020 5:57 PM  #12


Re: Sunburn

Try this Gar... First of all you don't need a foot pedal with steel or Stainless. You just set your heat and........floor the pedal! (like driving the Mustang!)  Alum. is where the foot pedal needs to be used.
Thicker stuff is better to 'learn on'. Do something sorta practical like weld TWO pieces together (with a little bit of a gap)
Just buzzing beads on a flat surface teaches you nothing.
With the two pieces laid out....and the amps about 40 or so.....floor the pedal.....let the puddle form...and sssslllloooooowwwwwly move the tungsten from one piece to the other and geeeennnnnttttlllllyyyy move the puddle forward as you "sew" the two pieces together.  Then take a look at it.
Rest your hand on something while you're doing this.(important)
  Your finger and thumb (that your holding the torch with) are all you move back & forth back & forth. Then gently move forward with your hand
  NEXT do the same motions as above but have the filler rod JUST LAYING in the gap between the two 'coupons' you're welding. Gently & slowly tie ALL three together.
The whole idea behind TIG is concentrating the 'heat' in one area......making small tight beads.
Since its concentrated in one area you don't need as much heat  to fuse the two pieces.
Slow and easy is the trick.....Don't try and rush "tigg'in"!
Hint:....use a thick 'heat-proof' glove to hold the torch cause.....it gits HOT!
That's why good welders either smoke or chew tobacco!  Weld a while and then have-a-chew while it cools off.
6sal6
We gonna need a picture REAL soon! (or it didn't happen!)


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6/17/2020 5:21 AM  #13


Re: Sunburn

Definitely true, aluminum requires less power the more you weld.  I had to weld the bellhousing on an automatic trans that was still in the truck (engine out) once and had my wife at the welder while I was in the engine bay.  She became my "pedal" for the MIG. 

 

6/17/2020 6:44 AM  #14


Re: Sunburn

TKOPerformance wrote:

Definitely true, aluminum requires less power the more you weld.  I had to weld the bellhousing on an automatic trans that was still in the truck (engine out) once and had my wife at the welder while I was in the engine bay.  She became my "pedal" for the MIG. 

 
Get a torch with a built in “pedal”.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

6/17/2020 7:11 AM  #15


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I think for the next aluminum project I'll just get the TIG setup for my inverter.  Its only like $300, and it beats the hell out of having to change the feed liner etc. in my MIG.  Of course, welding around my place isn't always a planned project, so its entirely likely I change my MIG over and back again out of immediate necessity...

 

6/17/2020 10:17 AM  #16


Re: Sunburn

I saw a u tube clip to convert a MIG gun with a home made collet to hold the tungsten.still need an argon bottle $$$$


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

6/17/2020 3:24 PM  #17


Re: Sunburn

Rudi wrote:

I saw a u tube clip to convert a MIG gun with a home made collet to hold the tungsten.still need an argon bottle $$$$

I'm sure it would work, but you're limited to the wave form a MIG produces.  That's the benefit of my inverter box.  It does all the wave forms, including square.  With the right accessories I think it does all but immersed plasma arc.  In fairness though I didn't check...

 

6/17/2020 4:25 PM  #18


Re: Sunburn

red351 wrote:

I've seen worst. Go to oz where you can get burnt on top under a full head of hair....

Some places here where that'll happen in Winter.
I'd choose the welding burn over a mild dose of 'arc eye' every time.
 


"Those telephone poles were like a picket fence"
 

6/17/2020 5:12 PM  #19


Re: Sunburn

50vert wrote:

red351 wrote:

I've seen worst. Go to oz where you can get burnt on top under a full head of hair....

Some places here where that'll happen in Winter.
I'd choose the welding burn over a mild dose of 'arc eye' every time.
 

I think all that electric weld have had "Arc Eye". Sucks large time. This little Miller will do Stick welding also so I may retire my old 1970's Monkey Ward buzz box.

I had no welding practice today as we are working on the exterior of the house, fixing, painting, etc. We have the the detached garage almost done and will paint the garage trim tomorrow before the rains. I'm wondering why we did not have this job hired out? The young in me says I can do it is why. The prep work is the hard stuff, painting goes pretty fast.


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
     Thread Starter
 

6/18/2020 4:02 PM  #20


Re: Sunburn

Before auto dimming helmets became cheap, I used to do tacks with my eyes closed then pick up the handheld shield. Burnt eyelids and arc eye really do suck!


"Those telephone poles were like a picket fence"
 

6/19/2020 6:32 AM  #21


Re: Sunburn

Kind of the same arc-eye topic. When I worked on the farm, I was doing some hard facing  on the barn cleaner cogs and slides. It never occurred to me about the cows. Well come milking time several couldn't find there yolks, some others had trouble with the doors. and one just couldn't find the barn without guidance. Milk production way down for a few days.

 

6/19/2020 7:13 AM  #22


Re: Sunburn

red351 wrote:

Kind of the same arc-eye topic. When I worked on the farm, I was doing some hard facing  on the barn cleaner cogs and slides. It never occurred to me about the cows. Well come milking time several couldn't find there yolks, some others had trouble with the doors. and one just couldn't find the barn without guidance. Milk production way down for a few days.

I'm picturing cows with auto dimming helmets strapped to their heads now.
 

 

6/19/2020 10:59 AM  #23


Re: Sunburn

red351 wrote:

Kind of the same arc-eye topic. When I worked on the farm, I was doing some hard facing  on the barn cleaner cogs and slides. It never occurred to me about the cows. Well come milking time several couldn't find there yolks, some others had trouble with the doors. and one just couldn't find the barn without guidance. Milk production way down for a few days.

I never let the dog in the shop while welding. Probably wouldn't have thought about livestock either.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

6/19/2020 11:29 AM  #24


Re: Sunburn

I think my kids learned not to look at the bright light about the same time they learned to walk.  When daddy says look away you look away.

 

6/19/2020 5:35 PM  #25


Re: Sunburn

My friend bought a HF diamond wheel carbide saw blade sharpener...$40 or so...and set it up with a guide for putting the proper angle on his TIG Tungstens.  Works great and is quick.  He does a lot of TIG work on stainless and got tired of trying to sharpen the tungsten on a grinder.  I use one for sharpening carbide lathe tools. 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

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