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I just had the exhaust put on my 64.5 vert and am now installing/adjusting the e-brake cables. I am using MS rear Cobra brackets and calipers am clamping the cable that runs through the equalizer to the rear cables as recommended by MS. I'm also using the 66 style equalizer. 2.5" pipes and 3" driveshaft doesn't leave much room in the tunnel for anything.
Should I accept the cables riding on the exhaust as pictured or would you try to close up the equalizer a little bit to take the cables completely off the pipes?
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I vote to close it up a little!
Butt-watt do I know.........I've disconnected my E-cable a loooong time ago.
With the vibration associated with exhaust systems and road conditions the cables will constantly be rubbing-scrubbing on the exhaust.
How long before the cable rubs through the pipe????? 10-20-30 years? Who-nose.
Might as well fix it now and have one less place to rattle and vibrate
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Agreed. Rattling would have drove me nuts. A little heat on the horseshoe and some bending and the cables are off of the pipes.
Now, I just need to figure out the secret to adjusting the cables so that I can actually pull the e-brake enough to actuate the parking brake.
Anyone have any tips or tricks? Cobra rear calipers with factory hand brake. I adjusted the equalizer so all of the slack was out of the cables, but when I pulled the hand lever as hard as I could, I could only get a couple of inches of movement on the brake handle and the back wheels could still be turned by hand easily.
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Tighten until all slack is removed with handle in unapplied position. You can feel the ebrake levers on the calipers to be sure they return to their stock position with no tension on cable.
If you have not exercised the ebrake levers through several set/release cycles, there will be excessive travel in the cable. I put vise-grips on the levers and cycle them until they are tight. Then adjust cables. That is why calipers with integral parking brake MUST have the parking brake hooked up and exercised occasionally. It takes up slack created by brake pad wear. You might have to exercise the levers up to ten strokes to get them adjusted properly. You will definitely feel it when they are adjusted. At that point, your parking brake will start working quite effectively.
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Thanks. Everything is new and the e-brakes have never been cycled before. I will try working the levers as you suggested first and then go back and re-adjust everything and try again.
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I must have a basic problem somewhere. I worked each parking brake lever about 15-20 times. The most I could get was about 3/8" movement on each lever, which seems like it would be enough.
With the levers actuated, I was able to push the end of the cable down with my finger, so both cables move freely.
When I adjusted the equalizer to the point where the slack was just out of the cable, I could get 4 or 5 clicks out of the handbrake, but the wheels still turned easily by hand.
When I adjusted the equalizer to make the cables tight to the point where you could pluck them and they vibrated like a guitar string, I could only get 2 clicks on the handbrake- which took a huge amount of effort- and there was finally some drag on the rear wheels, but no where near enough to hold the car.
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Well, I think I might have found the issue, I'm just not sure how to fix it.
If I press the lever that the equalizer attaches to forward from under the car to simulate the brake handle being pulled, the lever moves forward several inches, but that forward travel of the lever doesn't translate into the horseshoe equalizer moving forward and pulling the cables by the same amount. In fact, it seems that when the lever moves forward to pull the cables, the horseshoe equalizer gets pulled more towards the driver's side of the car than it does in a straight forward motion. As a result, 3" of forward movement on the lever is resulting in only about a 1/4"' (maybe less) of forward motion on the horseshoe equalizer and cables, which certainly isn't enough to actuate the parking brake lever on the caliper.
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Post a picture showing where ebetything is hooked up to the lever.
Also, have you verified the roller wheel had not separated on the front of the front of the underdash apparatus? Mine was broken when I first bought my 66 in 1992.
Any chance you have tight bends in the cables where they are routed above the mufflers?
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Roller wheel is ok.
Here's a pic of the lever.
The cables route under the floor pans through the little "tunnel". Smooth bends everywhere. See pic below.
The other thing that occurred to me is that the cables themselves are coated in plastic. I wonder if the coating on the cable is dragging on the sheath the cable rides in? Here's another pic where you can see the coating on the cable has rubbed off at the caliper. Wondering if I need different cables with no coating? The last pic is a pic of the cable that I cut off.
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I just took a look at the Cobra cables listed on MS' site and it does not look like the cables are coated?
I wonder if the coating on my cables IS the problem?
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Coated cables near hot pipes could be an issue, where did they come from?
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The cables came from Street or Track several years ago, although current pics of the cables on SoT's site don't show the covering on the cables.
I will pull the cables out and see if I can peel off the coating and see if it makes a difference.
Last edited by Chaplin (7/07/2020 11:47 AM)
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Why not check with Shaun at S&T and see what he thinks about the plastic coating, he seems to be a good guy to talk to.
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Lever looks correct.
Check the pulley on the underdash piece?
To test cables, just disconnect one end and see if the wire slides Easy. It will have SOME resistance as normal.
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Pulley is ok.
I just pulled out both cables. Driver's side came out pretty easily, passenger side came out with a little more drag. I just removed all of the coating on the cables and put them back in. They went back in much easier than they came out.
I will re-connect everything tonight and give it another try.
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Appears you are using MDL crossmember for T5?
With their kit (assuming not changing rear drum brakes) they include a 1” spacer to compensate for the shift of the crossmember rearward.
I noticed your adjustment nut is at end of travel to take slack out of rear cables running to calipers.
I would at least readjust that it is near center of threaded section.
I made my own horseshoe cable and I kept the spacer...just in case I switch back to a c4 transmission. 🤣
My horseshoe was also pinched closed loosely around cable as well, don’t know if required but I put mine back the same way with new cable. I didn’t cut old cable, just opened the ends and closed around new.
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Well, I put it back together after pulling the coating off the cables and the parking brake function is much better. It will require some more adjustment, but at least it got to the point where I could only get the back wheels to turn by applying all of my body weight to it. Before I could turn the wheels with little to no resistance. I am going to pull the cables out one more time and lube them really well, put it back together again and then see if I can get it adjusted to the point where the brakes lock up and I can't move them.
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Nos681 wrote:
Appears you are using MDL crossmember for T5?
With their kit (assuming not changing rear drum brakes) they include a 1” spacer to compensate for the shift of the crossmember rearward.
I noticed your adjustment nut is at end of travel to take slack out of rear cables running to calipers.
I would at least readjust that it is near center of threaded section.
I made my own horseshoe cable and I kept the spacer...just in case I switch back to a c4 transmission. 🤣
My horseshoe was also pinched closed loosely around cable as well, don’t know if required but I put mine back the same way with new cable. I didn’t cut old cable, just opened the ends and closed around new.
Thanks. Yes, I have the MDL cross member for the T-5, but I did not get any spacers with it.
I did have the adjustment nut at the end of travel in that pic, but that was only temporary. I was messing with the adjustment to see where the best place was to set it to give maximum clearance on the cables from the exhaust and Driveshaft.
When I do the final install, install I am going to shorten up the cable that runs through the horseshoe so that the final adjustment winds up more in the middle of the travel.
Last edited by Chaplin (7/07/2020 8:04 PM)
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Just for reference, here is a pic of my lever on my 66. I shortened my lever arm for exhaust clearance, which actually gives me less PULL leverage, but the parking brake works well. I used same setup with Cobra rears and 2015+ rear discs.
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Thanks for the pic. I see some differences.
Aside from shortening your lever, your lever has 3 holes v 2 on mine. Even my original lever which I had on before the one you see in the pic only has 2 holes.
Did you add the third hole to the right of the adjusting rod that your spring is hooked into?
And it looks like you've got the spring secured on the tranny v. going to the p side of the car in the stock position?
My spring has A LOT of tension on it. Re-routing the spring as you did could make a big difference.
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Well, I just took a look at my trans. There is no way I could mount my spring the way you did. I fiddled with it a little more and I think the biggest problem (now that I've taken the coating off the cables) is that when I pull the lever, the equalizer moves more to the left than it does forward. With a little adjustment, I got the passenger side wheel to lock up solidly when pulling the handle under the dash, but the driver's side wheel turned with some effort.
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In order to keep the equalizer centered and moving in a forward direction when the lever is pulled by the handle under the dash, what do you think about boxing in the bracket that the lever goes through and running a bolt through the lever? That way, the lever will pivot around the bolt like a hinge instead of slipping out of the groove and moving towards the driver's side of the car when the handle is pulled.
Something like this?
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The arm pivots at the “v” notch.
Is that a factory lever arm?
Last edited by Nos681 (7/09/2020 12:50 PM)
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That is an after market lever in the picture, but I also have the original factory lever which I had on previously.
I know the lever is "supposed" to pivot at the notch, but regardless of which lever I use (OEM or aftermarket), when you pull the brake handle, it pulls the whole lever towards the driver's side of the car, effectively pulling the "v" notch to the left of its pivot point on the cross member bracket.
When this happens, the passenger side wheel does lock up- because the additional movement of the lever towards the driver's side of the car puts additional tension on the cable going to the passenger side- but the driver's side wheel doesn't lock up because the lever pulled that cable more towards the driver's side of the car than it does pull the cable forward to pull the cable, so that cable is not as tight as the p/s cable.
If I could run a bolt through the lever creating a fixed pivot point that prevents the lever from shifting towards the side of the car when the brake handle is pulled, in theory it should result in more of a forward pull motion on the cables and more equal tension going to both rear brake cables than I have now.
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Chaplin wrote:
In order to keep the equalizer centered and moving in a forward direction when the lever is pulled by the handle under the dash, what do you think about boxing in the bracket that the lever goes through and running a bolt through the lever? That way, the lever will pivot around the bolt like a hinge instead of slipping out of the groove and moving towards the driver's side of the car when the handle is pulled.
Something like this?
Ok, after some more investigation I found the source of the problem.
If you look at the pic above, there is very little room- maybe an 1/8" or so, for the right side of the lever to move forward before it contacts the bracket. When the lever was pulled, the lever would move that 1/8" forward and then would hit the bracket, causing the whole assembly to push out of the notch and move towards the driver's side of the car.
With some trimming to the right side of the lever to give it more room to come forward before hitting the bracket, I can get a full pull on the brake handle and the equalizer is pulled dead forward instead of towards the driver's side of the car and the wheels are firmly locked up.
The parking brake now functions perfectly!
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