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7/21/2020 6:09 PM  #1


Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

I could listen forever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4h2umHMtnI

Last edited by kardad (7/21/2020 6:12 PM)

 

7/21/2020 7:37 PM  #2


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

Now you know why Ken Miles was always smiling!


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

7/21/2020 8:29 PM  #3


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

Well, if that doesn't test your boy parts......


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

7/21/2020 9:02 PM  #4


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

Bullet Bob wrote:

Well, if that doesn't test your boy parts......

 


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

7/21/2020 10:16 PM  #5


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

OK, so I came in from the garage had a couple beers and sat down at the computer and came across this post. My wife came in to see what all the noise was! That guy can drive, and while I've never been an FE fan holy cats it sounds good!

 

Last edited by Raymond_B (7/21/2020 10:23 PM)

 

7/22/2020 5:14 AM  #6


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

The FE doing what the FE was built to do.  I'm guessing it's spinning 7,000+.  I'm also guessing that 4 speed has straight cut gears because a lot of that noise is the gears.  I'd be curious what the setup on that car was as far as brakes and suspension go.  Definitely super fast and fun to watch.  Thanks kardad!

 

7/22/2020 8:24 AM  #7


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

nice.  Loved the Ferrari effortlessly zooming by too :-)


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7/22/2020 10:23 AM  #8


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

those were cool vids to watch 


Slammed Big Blue, ran over the varmints that messed with the Stang. Now all is good in the NW
 

7/22/2020 2:15 PM  #9


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

John Ha wrote:

nice.  Loved the Ferrari effortlessly zooming by too :-)

I heard Ricky Bobby saying "What was that?  Were those the other cars?"

 

7/23/2020 11:24 AM  #10


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

I enjoyed the video. Many years ago, I built 427 FE , aluminum heads (ported/polished medium riser), aluminum manifold, big cam, lightweight flywheel, etc. and put it in a Superformance Cobra. Torque was great throughout the rpm range until it ran out of breath at about 5800 rpm. During that same time I visited Shelby's facility at the Nevada Speedway and drove two of his Cobras: one  with a carbureted aluminum block, 427 FE, the other a fuel injected cast iron block 427 FE. Both of those Cobras also ran out of breath at about 5800 rpm. Performance wise, I couldn't find much difference between the three cars. All three would GLH.

Would like to know the specifications on the engine in the Mustang on the video.

 

 

7/23/2020 2:28 PM  #11


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

I'm betting that car had high riser heads.  Also, not sure how original it has to be, because the current offerings from Dove, Survival, etc. definitely do not run out of breath at 5,800.  I've seen some of Barry Rabotnick's engines spinning to 7,200 during dyno pulls and they sounded like there was more in them.  One I believe was a 427 based 480 CID stroker.  AND that's conventional cam in the block setups.  Those SOHC's are a whole other animal, though very deep pockets are needed for those. 

I always heard the issue with the Cobra was the hood clearance didn't allow for the use of the high riser heads and intake.  Corvettes had that problem too.  The big block hood helped, but not enough. 

 

7/23/2020 10:34 PM  #12


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

I can tell you from experience that the high rise heads and manifold would not fit under the Superformance Cobra hood for me. Today's professional engine builders with modern components are able to coax remarkable numbers out of their products. I utilized quality components available to me at the time and enjoyed the car. Rocker shafts were snapping like twigs until I located a specialty manufacture selling gun drilled rocker shafts whittled out of a material I can't recall. After that, I never snapped another rocker shaft.

 

7/23/2020 11:35 PM  #13


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

Thought I recognized that track. Pacific Raceways in Kent, Washington. Every year as part of our four day Roundup event we hold a Ride & Drive track event there. We just did it last Friday - although we had to cancel the other three days of events because of the virus. We were able to do a modified version of the event that went well. Glad to see the Mustang beat the Chevys on the video.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

7/24/2020 5:41 AM  #14


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

boss347convertible wrote:

I can tell you from experience that the high rise heads and manifold would not fit under the Superformance Cobra hood for me. Today's professional engine builders with modern components are able to coax remarkable numbers out of their products. I utilized quality components available to me at the time and enjoyed the car. Rocker shafts were snapping like twigs until I located a specialty manufacture selling gun drilled rocker shafts whittled out of a material I can't recall. After that, I never snapped another rocker shaft.

I remember years ago when I was in college there was a guy named John (can't remember the last name) up around Allentown, PA that ran an outfit called D&D Performance.  He had a BOSS 429 that he had raced and a '79 or '80 Fox car with a 351C in it that ran low 9s.  I got a 390 out of a truck from a friend for free before I left for college and I was considering an FE swap into my '67.  He basically told me that it was a bad idea because all the FE stuff was old and worn out, or guys wanted WAY too much money for it.  I could get the same power out of a stroker small block for less money and in a package that fit the chassis better.

Years later I was reading Barry Rabotnick's book on the FE and he discussed why the FE was a killer factory performance engine, but went through a period where it was widely ignored by most guys looking for performance.  His contention was that the factory support at one point was very good, so good in fact that the aftermarket largely ignored the engines because they really couldn't do better than what Ford was already selling.  When Ford got out of racing they had already gone to other designs in their performance street cars like the 351W, 351C, and 385 series.  The FE had become old news.  This left the FE in limbo where the only real parts, aside from simple stuff like cams, were factory parts that were increasingly old and had been used extensively for racing.  So at the time (mid '90's) John was right about why an FE build was not my best option, and Barry had explained why. 

Where we got lucky was that eventually when guys started to harken back to the nostalgia of the '60s that meant FE power and the demand existed to make aftermarket parts worth developing.  There was a real FE renaissance in the 2000's and now its hard to remember how tough these engines once were to build.

I've still got that 390, and a soft spot for the FE.  Maybe one day I'll build that 445 and drop it into the '67.

Oh, and on those rocker shafts, if I remember what I read right, they break because they ends are unsupported between the last stand and the rocker on the end.  The aftermarket now has heads and rocker gear that puts a stand on the outside and fully supports the shaft to prevent failure.  I think maybe the factory HP stuff had this figured out as well, but that was one of the other issues with the FE: too many variations of parts.  3 riser height configurations, etc. 
 

 

7/28/2020 12:01 PM  #15


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

I found this link for the car.
 
http://www.vintagefordracing.com/cars-for-sale.html
 
Looks like a fun ride for a short while. Nothing for a Bash trip though, that gear box would drive me nuts after a while. Watching the Tach, there are some moments when the sun light cooperates and you can get a glimpse of the needle moving around the 6K mark.
 
It works great as a short therapy session!!
 
The after market has been good to the FE over the last 2 decades with somewhat affordable prices and a multiple choices of head castings and intakes. There is someone out there with a new pallet of high riser head castings too. Now if someone could make a cast iron block that is actually in stock when you need one would be great.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

7/31/2020 12:14 PM  #16


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

Great sound. I noticed his shifter tilts down when he accelerates.  My TKO600/427 Also does that.  What causes it ?


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/31/2020 7:11 PM  #17


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

prolly all that torque is causing the drive shaft to bow a little!!
6s6


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8/01/2020 8:22 AM  #18


Re: Listen to this thing, I would love to know what the RPMs are,

Cool love to watch these over and over


65 coupe, 351w, c4, power disk brakes, power r&p, vintage air.
 

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