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3/11/2021 3:18 AM  #1


Resetting the rear leaf springs

I fitted the rear leaf springs on the car sometime around 2002/2003. I suspect they may be starting to sag a little now as I think I've bottomed out a couple of times with dips on the road.
I'm considering getting them reset and maybe adding in a leaf. I don't mind the back sitting up a little, but not too much. Car sits relatively level now, but sometimes the front looks like it sits a little higher. Maybe that is an optional allusion?
Anyway, what do you guys think?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

3/11/2021 6:22 AM  #2


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

I doubt the springs have sagged in less than 20 years.  I put mine on in '94 and never noticed any difference in ride height.  If you want to have them rearched and add another leaf I say go for it.  I only have 4 leafs on mine, and at some point will either go to a spring with more leaves or take them up to Chester Spring Works and get some work done on them to help with traction and ride quality. 

 

3/11/2021 7:44 AM  #3


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Running 5 leafs on the 67 only because when we travel, the wife will take and crams everything she can possibly get in the trunk & back seat. So I added the leaf myself by taking top main leaf and cut the eyes off from an older set of springs and placed it under the top main. It didn't add much height to the rear and does now sit level when loaded.

 

3/11/2021 9:54 AM  #4


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Take Rich's fix and.......cut an extra main leaf in half.....put it in the spring pack under the FRONT portion of the main leaf (make a 4 & 1/2 leaf pack.) This will raise it just a little.....not hurt ride....serve as a poor-man's traction bar...benefit of an extra leaf withOUT stiffer ride!
6sal6


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3/11/2021 2:11 PM  #5


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Thanks guys.
I think mine are 4 leaf and I don't mind having a stiffer ride. What will adding a leaf do for height though?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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3/11/2021 3:49 PM  #6


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

6sally6 wrote:

Take Rich's fix and.......cut an extra main leaf in half.....put it in the spring pack under the FRONT portion of the main leaf (make a 4 & 1/2 leaf pack.) This will raise it just a little.....not hurt ride....serve as a poor-man's traction bar...benefit of an extra leaf withOUT stiffer ride!
6sal6

The 1st Gen Lightnings have a similar setup with a snubber on the end of the 1/2 leaf.  Its was obviously super cheap for Ford to do, and it works incredibly well.  Those trucks may lay wheel, but they do not wheel hop at all.  The back end is very controllable, especially for a pickup with no weight back there. 

 

3/12/2021 12:34 AM  #7


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

I reckon I will just take mine to a shop for them to add a leaf and reset while I wait around.
Are 5 leaf rear spring set ups common? What sort of height will it add?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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3/12/2021 5:50 AM  #8


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Common setups for these cars seem to be 4, 4.5, and 5 leaf.  Ride height is determined by spring arch, not number of leaves.  If you take them your pack and say add a leaf and you want it to be the same ride height they should be able to do that.  They'll know how much arch to remove/add to get you the height you want.  To be really accurate corner scaling the car is best so you can tell them the weight that will be imposed on the spring.  There are ways to do that without fancy and expensive corner scales.  Here's a link to how to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071xPmVgE0E

 

3/12/2021 7:45 AM  #9


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Ok, thanks.
I may just stay 4 leaf and get them to reset it so the back is an inch and a half higher.


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3/29/2021 5:22 AM  #10


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Question for 6Sal6...
What set up do you have on your rear suspension? I like that look of the back end sitting up a little higher than the front.


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3/29/2021 11:53 AM  #11


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Corky/Tubo made me a "smoking-deal" on 'em. I think they are just OEM replacements.(5 leaf?!)
Installed about  2014 I think. Replaced much modified stock springs that were 50 year olds.(stuff just don't last!!....right?!)
I like the 'California rake' look too! Still had to roll the fenders some.
6s6


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3/29/2021 10:03 PM  #12


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

6sally6 wrote:

Corky/Tubo made me a "smoking-deal" on 'em. I think they are just OEM replacements.(5 leaf?!)
Installed about 2014 I think. Replaced much modified stock springs that were 50 year olds.(stuff just don't last!!....right?!)
I like the 'California rake' look too! Still had to roll the fenders some.
6s6

Thanks 6s6! I like the Cali raked look too.
What heights from ground to underside of front and rear wheel arches do you have? I would be interested to compare to mine. When I measure from garage floor to highest point on the wheel arches, I get 25-1/2" on the front and 26" on the rear. To get a raked look, I might need to have the springs re-set to be 1" higher?
 

Last edited by Toploader (3/30/2021 3:01 AM)


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3/31/2021 11:21 PM  #13


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

I spoke to a "Spring Guy / Blacksmith " this week and he has reset the rear leaf springs on lots of Mustangs.
I thought it interesting that he immediately asked if the springs on my car were original or reproductions. I let him know that they were reproductions and he said the original Ford ones were far better and a lot of the stuff now is coming out of China. He also said that he finds that he needs to add a leaf to a lot of the Mustangs that he works on.
I think I bought my reproduction springs from NPD and it would have been 2003. Hopefully these are good quality reproduction springs...
I think I will go ahead and get my springs reset in the next month and will report back on how I go.
6s6 - if you can share what your ride height is, that would be great. Thanks.

Last edited by Toploader (3/31/2021 11:23 PM)


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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4/01/2021 5:18 AM  #14


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Yeah, a lot are made overseas.  Eaton is the only company I know that makes theirs in the US.  It wouldn't surprise me if the OEMs are sourcing theirs from overseas as well.  The metallurgy on the overseas stuff is probably bad.  That's not surprising, as most of the stuff made there has questionable metallurgy.  So much of the steel China uses is made from our scrap that it ends up with impurities in it.  The issue with recycling anything is that you can only use so much old material in with the new without compromising strength.  Its evident that the Chinese throw that guideline to the wind. 

That said, the American made stuff can be very expensive by comparison, like over 2X as much. The springs I just got for my F250 were $750 a pair from Eaton.  I paid $340 for the ones I bought.  I don't mind spending more to buy American, but there's a point of ridiculousness.   For the cost of the Eatons I got springs, hardware, hangers, shackles, new overload springs, and was halfway to new shocks.  From having changed the springs before I already know I'll need all that stuff.  Unfortunately it made it an easy decision. 

 

4/01/2021 9:39 AM  #15


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Toploader wrote:

6sally6 wrote:

Corky/Tubo made me a "smoking-deal" on 'em. I think they are just OEM replacements.(5 leaf?!)
Installed about 2014 I think. Replaced much modified stock springs that were 50 year olds.(stuff just don't last!!....right?!)
I like the 'California rake' look too! Still had to roll the fenders some.
6s6

Thanks 6s6! I like the Cali raked look too.
What heights from ground to underside of front and rear wheel arches do you have? I would be interested to compare to mine. When I measure from garage floor to highest point on the wheel arches, I get 25-1/2" on the front and 26" on the rear. To get a raked look, I might need to have the springs re-set to be 1" higher?
 

 
25 1/2"........rear
24 1/4".......front          from floor to top of fender opening (215-65-15 tarz)
6s6


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4/01/2021 12:53 PM  #16


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

6sally6 wrote:

Toploader wrote:

6sally6 wrote:

Corky/Tubo made me a "smoking-deal" on 'em. I think they are just OEM replacements.(5 leaf?!)
Installed about 2014 I think. Replaced much modified stock springs that were 50 year olds.(stuff just don't last!!....right?!)
I like the 'California rake' look too! Still had to roll the fenders some.
6s6

Thanks 6s6! I like the Cali raked look too.
What heights from ground to underside of front and rear wheel arches do you have? I would be interested to compare to mine. When I measure from garage floor to highest point on the wheel arches, I get 25-1/2" on the front and 26" on the rear. To get a raked look, I might need to have the springs re-set to be 1" higher?
 

 
25 1/2"........rear
24 1/4".......front from floor to top of fender opening (215-65-15 tarz)
6s6

You need to measure from the center of the axle to the bottom of the fender.  Otherwise the tire size will affect the values.

Mine is 12" Front  &  13" Rear.  And it makes a great rake.  MS has similar numbers for his.  One gottcha on getting this low is tire rubbing on the fender.  You must roll your fender lips for clearance.  Tire size is also critical in the front.  I had to go with 215-60x16 in front and 225-60x16 in the rear.  Backspacing is critical here   I have to have 4.25 bs on 7" rims.  4.00bs rubs the fender and 4.50 will interfere with the brake caliper.  You must  really measure a lot to get yours correct.  

Front has 1" lowering GT springs and Arning drop.  Rear has 4 leaf reverse eyes.

As you can see ride height determination takes a lot of thinking and remembering all that high school math.

Good luck.  I can't show a photo because I have not yet tried to navigate the current way of doing it.   There used to be one on the ride height page, but that is in the trash bin somewhere.
 


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4/01/2021 1:19 PM  #17


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

My car's 13 1/2" front, 13 3/4" rear
 Stock front convertible, V8 with a/c spring with 1/2 coil removed.
Stock rear convertible, V8 with a/c rear leaf with 1" longer rear shackles.
 I ordered the springs from NPD and they had them listed as to the options on the vehicle, not one size fits all. NPD advertises them as made by Easton, USA.

 

Last edited by Rudi (4/05/2021 9:35 AM)


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4/01/2021 5:12 PM  #18


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

My car is 13-1/2" front and 14" rear, measured from center cap. It looks like the back needs to come up, but by how much... I don't know.
I don't experience any rubbing that I know of, but on sharp dips in the road, it will bottom out.
When I upgraded the steering and front suspension, I fitted 1" shorter coil springs. That tells me now that the front must have sat higher than the rear for a number of years and that seems right, because it looked a bit strange.

Last edited by Toploader (4/01/2021 5:14 PM)


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4/01/2021 6:15 PM  #19


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Toploader wrote:

My car is 13-1/2" front and 14" rear, measured from center cap. It looks like the back needs to come up, but by how much... I don't know.
I don't experience any rubbing that I know of, but on sharp dips in the road, it will bottom out.
When I upgraded the steering and front suspension, I fitted 1" shorter coil springs. That tells me now that the front must have sat higher than the rear for a number of years and that seems right, because it looked a bit strange.

Over the years I've seen Mustangs with all kinds of stances when stock.  Boat, Floods, and cool rakes.  Each one can be different.  That's why we keep having these discussions.  The stance can be very different depending on each individual car.  I believe Ford had a number of different spring specs depending on engine type, trans, A/C, GT, Shelby, etc.  Get a spring with the wrong spec, and you get the differing stances.  Ford was not particularly picky


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4/02/2021 6:27 AM  #20


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

12" front and 13" rear is pretty low. Do you ever bottom out?
I'm wondering if I might go 13-1/2" front and 14-1/2" rear. I already have the lowered springs on the front, but no Shelby drop.


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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4/02/2021 10:30 AM  #21


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Toploader wrote:

12" front and 13" rear is pretty low. Do you ever bottom out?
I'm wondering if I might go 13-1/2" front and 14-1/2" rear. I already have the lowered springs on the front, but no Shelby drop.

In the rear I can bottom out going thru a dip, but otherwise I have no problems even with an over-ride sway bar.

My biggest problem has been rubbing the front fenders.  That is  pretty much taken care of now.
 


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

4/02/2021 7:13 PM  #22


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

I'm pretty happy with the front height on my car. Probably one day I will do the Shelby drop, but for the foreseeable future the front height is not changing. The rear though, it needs to come up.

Last edited by Toploader (4/02/2021 7:14 PM)


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4/07/2021 9:36 PM  #23


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Toploader wrote:

I fitted the rear leaf springs on the car sometime around 2002/2003. I suspect they may be starting to sag a little now as I think I've bottomed out a couple of times with dips on the road.
I'm considering getting them reset and maybe adding in a leaf. I don't mind the back sitting up a little, but not too much. Car sits relatively level now, but sometimes the front looks like it sits a little higher. Maybe that is an optional allusion?
Anyway, what do you guys think?

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4/08/2021 6:54 PM  #24


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

With the Shelby drop, how much does this lower the front and will this cause tire rub with 15" tires?
I have no tire rub now and have 215/60 R15's on the car.


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4/08/2021 9:27 PM  #25


Re: Resetting the rear leaf springs

Toploader wrote:

With the Shelby drop, how much does this lower the front and will this cause tire rub with 15" tires?
I have no tire rub now and have 215/60 R15's on the car.

Seems different Mustangs react differently! I have the original front springs with 1/2 coil cut out AND the Shelby/Arning drop AND roller perches AND  a 1/2 thick pad under the springs to get it where it is now!!
I have 215-65-15"  tarz.  Only rub is on the REAR!! (go finger??!)
 
Some fellas report 1/2".....1".....1 1/2.....???
Do it and be prepared to make further adjustments.
It's worth it IMHO because it improves the handling/steering so much.
6sal6


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