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7/03/2021 7:54 PM  #1


Emissions-diesel

Ran across this today.

I agree with the guy…I feel the same way.

https://youtu.be/BIbsY5-z0BE

I don’t even own a diesel truck…yet.

Last edited by Nos681 (7/03/2021 8:01 PM)

 

7/04/2021 5:35 AM  #2


Re: Emissions-diesel

Its actually even worse than the stuff he talked about.  Truly he just touched the tip of the iceberg.

The Ford 6.0 and 6.4 could suffer from what techs refer to as "cascade failure".  What would happen is that the EGR cooler would start to plug up, reducing coolant circulation to the oil cooler, the oil cooler would then fully plug up, the EGR cooler would rupture and leak coolant into the intake or back into the up pipe for the turbo and into the exhaust manifolds, the coolant then gets into the cylinders and the engine blows a head gasket.  There's nothing you can do to prevent this other than preemptively changing the coolers or removing the EGR cooler.  Cost for a head gasket job on one of these trucks, assuming nothing in the bottom end was damaged: $4,000-$5,500 depending on the shop. 

Ford would fix this under warranty, but most trucks went to 100k or more before it happened and the warranty did nothing at that point.  I did my own truck at 120k.  I deleted everything and it now has 267k on it without any issues.  I'm also making double the factory power rating due to other mods, yet I get 2 more MPG city and highway.  My truck never had DPF or DEF, but the guys who do that remove that stuff say it gains more like 5-6MPG. 

All of this happened because the EPA blindsided the OEMs with emissions standards they weren't ready to meet so we ended up with untested systems on new engines sold by the millions to consumers who then had to foot the bill when the stuff failed.  The above is just what I know about Fords.  I can't speak to the GM or Dodge problems, as I'm not as familiar with those trucks. 

 

7/04/2021 6:03 AM  #3


Re: Emissions-diesel

I always felt  the same, that it would be far less worldwide environment pollution if we just kept our old cars & pickups longer. Yes there not the cleanest burning, but by the time we go thru all the different steps turning old into new.
It's more about $ than anything else.
The last 12 yrs we are required to have our septic pumped every 3 to 4 yrs. So it gets dumped into local farm cow poop pits and spread on top of the fields later around our little town. It washes out of the fields in heavy rains (soap suds and all) into our wells. So we all need to have a UV light to cleanup our water. Poop pumping is a big business around here.

 

7/04/2021 8:35 AM  #4


Re: Emissions-diesel

At work and even some of the employees had the wonderful 6.0 diesel, every single one had problems around 50k miles and then again after 100k miles.

If we were driving in a group, those trucks would be at the back of the pack as to not fog us all of the way to our destination.

Definitely knew which public transportation buses ( the small ones) had the Ford diesel 6,0

The saddest one was the bus that emitted black smoke with the local Portage Health Hospital advertising on the tailgate panel.  Constantly emitting black smoke, especially during acceleration from stops.

This was when Michigan was pushing “cash for clunkers.”

All of my vehicles running at one time probably didn’t emit that much for emissions.

With technology today, fuel delivery and metering has the possibility of burning clean with add air diluters…air pump.

The 69-80’s fix was “solution to pollution is dilution.”

Last edited by Nos681 (7/04/2021 8:40 AM)

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7/04/2021 8:39 AM  #5


Re: Emissions-diesel

I never really ever got the thing the government did to VW. I probably don't have it quite right but apparently VW  changed the computer when the car idled so it would pass emissions. Under normal run conditions it ran different and polluted more. The car got 50 miles to a gallon! If they really cared about the environment you would think they would want more 50/gal. cars on the road, not put them out of business. I agree with a lot that guy had to say. I have a buddy that drives and he says they are always having trouble with their trucks because of stuff added that guy talked about.


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7/04/2021 8:46 AM  #6


Re: Emissions-diesel

Early 2000’s I had considered the VW Golf and Jetta with their TDI.

Something happened and diesel prices doubled.

Then soon after, MPG on the TDI’s dropped too.
Really sad.

I’m sure the Big 3 complained to Feds and it went down hill from there.

I’ve had my share with EGR coolers on 2 different Fords and both were 5.0’s.

First was an 84 Cougar LS with CFI.
Florida car moved to Virginia, the winter air cooled the exhaust gasses too much and plugged the EGR valve. It took dealership a couple of tries to get it right.  I was fortunate enough that the senior technician really explained what was going on.
They ultimately removed the EGR cooler at base of CFI and problem was resolved. Following summer, I removed the spacer to clean it out due to having an occasional vacuum leak due to EGR valve stuck open from loose carbon. The spacer was packed full of the black sticky carbon.  Once throughly cleaned, never had a problem.  The technician said those were installed in “hot climates”….well Virginia wasn’t very hot during winters.

Second was on the 5.0 from my 92 that is in my 65 right now. Before removing from 92, I found the EGR cooler was leaking coolant into the intake manifold at a small rate that was noticeable on overflow. When this started, burning the coolant created some eye burning exhaust fumes even with garage doors opened. I found/fixed the problem before performing engine swap.

Ok, rant over for now.😜

Last edited by Nos681 (7/04/2021 9:05 AM)

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7/04/2021 11:12 AM  #7


Re: Emissions-diesel

The Ford 6.0 is actually a great engine once you fix it.  People tend to be scared of them so you can usually get one cheap.  That generation truck is well built, has a great trans (5R110), and I think is quite comfortable even on long trips.  The engine made 325/570 stock.  My stock mileage was like 12/16.  I deleted my EGR cooler, replaced the oil cooler (after thoroughly flushing the coolant and replacing it with a CAT EC-1 rated coolant), added a coolant filter, installed a CAI, installed a better exhaust sans cat, removed the factory fuel pump and installed a FASS system, converted the fuel system to return side regulation, replaced the head gaskets & installed ARP studs, installed 175/30 injectors, installed a Stage 2 Powermax turbo from KC Turbo, and of course had a good tune written by Innovative Diesel.  Power is now more like 660/950 and mileage is 14/18.  1/4 mile goes by in 13.0 at 102.  Working on some short time improvements now that should put me in the mid 12s. 

A lot of smoke from a Diesel is either a problem or bad tuning.  I can control smoke with my right foot.  That black smoke, though it seems ominous, really isn't much in the way of pollution.  What you're seeing is bound carbon, which is nonreactive.  It looks bad, but its actually a lot better for the environment that the stuff you don't see like oxides of nitrogen, oxides of sulfur, C02, COO, and O3.  The reason they use particulate filters is because of a perception of pollution. 

I had a friend at church who had one of the VW's covered by the lawsuit.  My advice to him was to do nothing.  The ones that were "fixed" got worse mileage, or they would buy it back.  He did the buyback.  My guess is if you have one with stock tuning its probably worth more to those in the know. 

There are all kinds of small, efficient Diesels sold all over the world, but we don't get them here.  There are literally dozens of vehicles that get between 60 and 100mpg sold to the rest of the world.  The cover story is they don't meet emissions or crash standards.  Dig into it and that just doesn't wash. 

 

7/04/2021 1:32 PM  #8


Re: Emissions-diesel

My 2002 F-250 w/7.3L diesel and 6 speed manual tranny came from the factory with a catalytic converter while the same exact truck with an automatic had no catalytic converter. Go figure! No other emission controls to speak of except for the PCV system. 
Every year I must have it emissions tested. The truck goes on the treadmill and they measure the opacity of the exhaust during a simulated drive. The truck passes with flying colors each and every year even after the cat fell off. The report always states 7.3L with Automatic trans. I have always thought I should mention the incorrect vehicle description to the shop but I always seem to forget.


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

7/05/2021 6:01 AM  #9


Re: Emissions-diesel

If all they are testing is opacity then the cat does nothing.  The cat it to reduce invisible constituents of exhaust like hydrocarbons.  An opacity test is just measuring soot output.  2002 OEMs were not required to install catalytic converters on Diesels, though Dodge and I guess Ford also started a year or more early on some models.  EGR started of Diesels in 2003.  DPF started in I believe 2008.  DEF is based on what the OEM had to do to meet emissions.  I know Ford started it in 2011 with the introduction of the 6.7.  DEF is not actually a requirement, but the engine has to meet the emissions standards and tight as they are a lot of OEMs need it to meet the standard. 

BUT, the thing about emissions is they are only Federally regulated when the vehicle is produced.  The Fed doesn't have the budget to set up testing in all 50 States, so they delegate that to the States.  States then determine what, if any testing program they will use.  Some States like CA are very strict, others have no testing for any vehicle whatsoever.  Among testing States, some do a drive test, others simply plug into the OBD2 port and if there are no codes and it shows the system hasn't been recently reset; you pass.  In DE there is no testing on Diesels, and no testing on anything over 8,600lbs GVWR, so my truck is doubly exempt.  They check the lights, brakes, and make sure the windows aren't overly tinted and that's it. 

 

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