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I have reached the point in my journey where it is time to begin to do the exhaust on my daily driver 66. She is a 289 I have upgraded to dual plane Edelbrock intake with matching 4bbl carb. Other than electronic ignition the engine is stock at this point.
She still sports her factory original single exhaust sysatem. It is is rusty, crusty and to paraphrase Ron White, it's about to fall the f*** off. With that in mind I have decided to convert her to dual exhaust. I have a shop all lined up to handle that for me. They will be installing a Magnaflow system for me next month.
I am trying to decide if I want to go with long tube headers or swtich my stock manifolds for Hi Po. Ease of installation isn't really a factor on the project as I work for an auto repair shop so the labor cost is going to be low for me regardless of which route I take.
I am not concerned about concourse correctness but I am trying to keep the original look and flavor as much as I can while still improving performance. I do not want the car to be obnixiously loud at idle but I want it to have some guts when I step on it.
With that in mind I'd love to hear the case for each route. I'm trying to educate myself on the pros and cons of each route before I plunk down the cash for that part of the project. I'd also like to hear suggestions on brands of headers for those who favor headers.
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I like the tone of long tube headers. + They will give a noticeable pick up in power over the single pipe you have now. They ARE harder to install butt-eye feel it is worth the extra skinned-knuckles. The newer ones have a ball/socket fitting on the collector to exhaust pipe that is less prone to leaks. I feel no Mustang is really souped up/modified UNLESS it has a nice set of LONG TUBE headers.
Unless you think like an "old man".....then go for the mani's.
6sally6
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Hey Sal....this Old Man likes his HI-Po mannys. He also likes mufflers.
BB
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With a stocker, I would recomment the iron hi-pos. They fit around everything else in the engine compartment. They were designed around the stock dual exhaust system. Engine noise is not increased, they don't leak, they do not rust out,you get more power where you need it down low, and you get a nice exhaust sound. And I like the look. It is different from most others. It does everything you need in a stocker.
Long tubes are a waste of time for you. they only work properly at high rpm - there is no gain at low rpm. fitment can be a challenge - you will need room around the steering & shift mechanism. You would have to insulate your starter from exhaust heat. Most of them are very close to the ground - mine were only about 3" from the ground till I moved them up. Even then they dragged a lot - that is a common complaint around here. It is common for them to leak around the head and have access issues with the spark plugs.
Shelby tri-y's would be a good alternative, too. Tubular. Much the same positives as the hi-po's.
Also, get an H-pipe in the tail pipe. It makes a better sound and increases low end torque. An X-pipe would work too, different sound and torque increases are a little higher up the rpm band.
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William_F...
I've Had ( 3 ) 65" n 66" with 289 v8 ..highrise moaifold..used .. Hooker long tube on all with x pipe..Thay sound great ! and best of all ...thay move out exhaust air.....The only thing a small block Ford needs is to move AIR....
Ps: I used a set of GT-40 heads - roller cam -n- rockers to help that...Great throttle response !!!
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I have had every possible configuration you can think of over the years. For a driver, the HIPOs are the way to go. If you do use headers, tehre are some good shorty and midlength ones out there. Be sure to get ceramic coating .
If you have power steering, that is definitely a rason to NOT install long tube headers. There is not a good way to relocate the steering ram for clearance without stressing the frame rail.
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Sounds like the manifolds may the route for me.
Can someone expalin the hearders to me. After all that I read, I was under the impression that the long tube was what gave the increase on lower end of power band with shorty being more for gains at the high end that I wouldn't typically run at. Do I have this backwards?
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HEaders will help at higher RPM,but you drive at low rpm most of the time. It all just depends on what you want. Headers do have a different sound, and they do cause alot of issues in future maintenance if you wind up with some that make it hard to access maintenance items.
Either way, be sure to have a crossover tube (Hpipe) installed to help with sound, power and stabilize the exhaust system to keep it from swaying around, which tries to pivot everything about the exhaust port gaskets.
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For a mild 289/302 the HP manifolds are the way to go . Maintance free and clears every thing.
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MustangSteve wrote:
I have had every possible configuration you can think of over the years. For a driver, the HIPOs are the way to go. If you do use headers, tehre are some good shorty and midlength ones out there. Be sure to get ceramic coating .
If you have power steering, that is definitely a rason to NOT install long tube headers. There is not a good way to relocate the steering ram for clearance without stressing the frame rail.
I was considering these. What do you think? Says no relocation of steering required and good ground clearance. Anybody run these?
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I have Headman Long Tube Headers Ceramic coated
I have power steering and No issues with being too low to ground or interfering with P/S
However I've blown the Exhaust gaskets when I removed them I found my exhaust ports on the Aluminium Cyl Heads were Bigger than the Gasket cut outs,so I'm looking for a Correct set of Exhaust Gaskets.
I dont have an H pipe, my mufflers are Flowmaster 40's but I do think my Exhaust is too rigid as I'm constantly feeling vibration thru car,my plan over the winter is to re do the Exhaust system from Headers back and replace or correct the Hangars maybe H pipe? May go Magnaflow,Although I love the sound of the Flowmasters and my Cam combo,always get nice compliments on sound at shows, but the vibrations I feel inside comes and goes, more so at idle thru car and it bothers me.
My starter has Aircraft heat wrap to protect starter.
jimmy O
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DBROWN- What year is your car? I have a new pair of those exact headers that I got for my '66 with a 289. I don't think they will fit a 65-66 beacuse they have 1 5/8" tubes at the flange which makes them wide. Without trying to mount them, I bolted them to a 5.0 on an engine stand and measured across from side to side. I calculated only 1/8" clearance to the shock towers. Turns out I couldn't use them anyway because of the rack and pinion I used.
I will probably try to sell them to someone with a 67-70, which have more clearance to the towers, or a 65-70 without shock towers.
Jimmy O- You will be much happier with an h-pipe, as has been widely recommended.
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hey william f...I agree with the majority,manifolds keep it clean and simple...unless you have plans for engine modifications to compliment the headers your'e just wasting money....I would get large diameter pipe though,...2 1/2" if it will work with the manifolds...that will help to get good sound and better performance too....
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whlnut wrote:
DBROWN- What year is your car? I have a new pair of those exact headers that I got for my '66 with a 289. I don't think they will fit a 65-66 beacuse they have 1 5/8" tubes at the flange which makes them wide. Without trying to mount them, I bolted them to a 5.0 on an engine stand and measured across from side to side. I calculated only 1/8" clearance to the shock towers. Turns out I couldn't use them anyway because of the rack and pinion I used.
I will probably try to sell them to someone with a 67-70, which have more clearance to the towers, or a 65-70 without shock towers.
Jimmy O- You will be much happier with an h-pipe, as has been widely recommended.
I have a 1966. PM me if you are going to sell them. That said, have you tried fitting them to your car? Measuring and mocking, alot of things can go wrong/get off . Not saying your not competant measuring, but you may end up with more room when bolted in your car. I just hate to see YOU not be able to use them.
I have also read some good reviews on the headman elite's on an early mustang Fastbackbhoy.
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Bullet Bob wrote:
Hey Sal....this Old Man likes his HI-Po mannys. He also likes mufflers.
BB
"HUH!!"
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Bullet Bob wrote:
Hey Sal....this Old Man likes his HI-Po mannys. He also likes mufflers.
BB
"HUH!!"
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6sally6 wrote:
Bullet Bob wrote:
Hey Sal....this Old Man likes his HI-Po mannys. He also likes mufflers.
BB"HUH!!"
This dumb a$$ old computer!!! I JUST said that!!
6s6
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I was thinking about Hi-Po manifolds for the short term stock '89 302 roller I'm putting into the '66 with Borgeson, MS cable clutch & T5 so I wouldn't have to worry about fitment problems since I'm trying to get the motor & tranny swapped out in the next 3 weeks and don't have much time for fiddling, but then found some good info on Hedman ceramic coated 88406 shortys and fitment with a nearly identical setup so ordered a set of these from Summit.
Got 'em two days later and was suprised at how compact they are, I think they're going to fit just fine and would think they'd flow a little better than the Hi-Po mannys. Build quality looks good (made in the USA) and they've got ball sockets at the collector for a trouble free seal there. I already have duals & and an H-pipe so will only need to replace a short section of the downtubes from the stock logs currently on the 289 C-code.
Ultimately when I've saved up the $$ for a Dart based stroker I would like to run FPA long-tubes. They aren't cheap but I had an exhaustive (heh) conversation w/Stan over there and I'm pretty convinced they're probably about the best long tubes you can get for an old Stang.
But for all that I do really like the Hi-Po manifolds and cast iron 'headers' in general. Had a set of these on my old '59 F-100 w/390:
Shoulda/coulda/woulda liked to've known better and to have taken 'em off before I sold it many years ago. Got 'em at a swap meet for a couple hundred back around 1980. Shucks.
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what about a x pipe? Increase the fuel factor and low and mid range torq. I've seen some pype systems and they have some with magnaflow mufflers. And also an x pipe magnaflow kit. Might look into that
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