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California trip was tough on my steering. The KRC aluminum power steering pump started leaking after never seeping or dripping for twenty years.
Thinking of just buying a new one, but man, they are expensive!
There is a reseal kit available, but I m thinking it is just lipstick on a pig after 20 years of wear.
Anybody ever rebuild one? What are your thoughts on resealing vs a brand new pump?
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MS wrote:
California trip was tough on my steering. The KRC aluminum power steering pump started leaking after never seeping or dripping for twenty years.
Thinking of just buying a new one, but man, they are expensive!
There is a reseal kit available, but I m thinking it is just lipstick on a pig after 20 years of wear.
Anybody ever rebuild one? What are your thoughts on resealing vs a brand new pump?
You reseal it and it leaks - then that is on you. You install a new one and it leaks - it's on them. I would say that the reseal job would depend on the quality of the new seals installed, and as you said, 20 years of wear. Crap shoot.
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I have the TCP R&P and I thought i got the KRC pump with it when I installed it several years ago. I decided to stiffen the steering last year with a new fluid regulator. I purchased one from KRC and it came in a couple of days. My body no longer functions the way I would like, so I have found a good hotrodder shop here in town to do the work I used to do. They tried to install the regulator, but it did not fit. They ended up using one from GM. It works fine. The steering stiffness is right where I want it. I guess TCP sent me a GM pump. It's been so long since it was installed, I can't find my documentation any more. The regulator was cheap, so I'm not going to pursue TCP. I am also not going to hold them in the esteem I used to.
I know this does not help, but I needed to vent.
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I’ve never rebuilt a KRC pump but my two-cents is that the seal is likely the issue after 20 years, and unless the shaft has been worn, a new seal should work. If the new seal doesn’t work, how much have you lost financially vs. the purchase price of the new pump?
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Its that LAZY COSTS MONEY thing. My time is more valuable than the price of the pump.
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Take a look at this info from Ranger Station site.
Perhaps the same pump can be used with custom made bracket(s).
I like how the pump outlet is at the bottom.
Last edited by Nos681 (3/03/2025 9:54 AM)
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My hydraulic pump experience is more industrial than automobile but I have learned that cast iron bodied units far outlast aluminum ones.
As far as power steering goes, I don’t know why more guys don’t go electric. To each his own I suppose.
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Rudi wrote:
My hydraulic pump experience is more industrial than automobile but I have learned that cast iron bodied units far outlast aluminum ones.
As far as power steering goes, I don’t know why more guys don’t go electric. To each his own I suppose.
Electric PS is pretty awesome, however there are some caveats when retrofitting. Electrical and charging system need to be up to snuff, the elec PS pump pulls a good amount of current especially when going full lock. They also need to be speed controlled or at least locked in to a specific duty cycle although there's aftermarket controllers being made now that will vary the assist based on vehicle speed, **but** that requires a vehicle speed sensor.
I've got a Mazda MX3 pump on my bench along with an aftermarket controller that I was going to use on my 95 Lightning because space was an issue when crafting up a turbo kit.
There's also the electric motor setups that are column mounted, but those appear to be expensive!
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The idea here was a one-to-one and be done replacement so no further mods had to be done. I have gotten 20 good years of use out of the system.
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Following the NOTHING TO LOSE scenario, I disassembled the old pump. Pretty simple and everything still looked new inside. I am ordering a $26 seal kit from KRC that should take care of the leak.
A new pump like this one was going to run almost $700 !!!
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Good luck MS. I hope that you are successful in your refurbish of the old pump. "a penny saved, is a penny earned"
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Looks like a fun project for a Saturday. especially for us retired old guys! $700 bucks???
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I spoke with the KRC factory guy today. He made sure to get me the correct seal kit for the pump.
He also confirmed their new cheaper line of pumps will do the exact same job and bolt on same as the old one. Only difference is they usr a pressed on pulley instead of the splined shaft like mine.
So, there is a cheaper alternative if anyone needs one.
He verified the pump puts out 1,600 psi and 9.6 cc volume.
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I'm curious where it leaked, and if the seal in the area looked damaged. I've rebuilt a couple steering pumps over the years, but they were always iron bodied. My concern would therefore be wear to the casting from running steel innards against an aluminum casting. Now, if its designed right that concern could be mitigated, but it does beg the question: why did it leak in the first place? I know I have close to a half dozen PS pumps on various vehicles with 150k-300k miles that have never leaked. I'd be disappointed that their fancy schmancy pump couldn't manage the same feat as an OEM one built by the lowest bidder. I'm curious to hear the outcome.
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The steel parts of the pump internals do not interface with aluminum parts. The aluminum housing is just a reservoir and holding fixture for the internal vane pump that has its own housing.
The front bearing is a sealed bearing. The shaft seal fits behind the front bearing like a Ford rear end does.
That is the only place I could figure it could be leaking, but after disassembly, I saw no evidence of a leak.
There was evidence of fluid on the bottom of the pump, on the sway bar and everything aft of that point.
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I'm guessing it wasn't making any noise, just leaking? Any chance the bearing is shot, allowing the shaft to get cocked and fluid to leak past an otherwise good seal?
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Bearing is just like new. I did not find any obvious leak cause.
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Makes me wonder where that seal came from. A week after I completely rebuilt the 10.5" Sterling rear in one of my F250s I had a pinion seal leak. All brand new parts, including the yoke (OEM Ford). There was nothing obvious when I pulled the yoke and seal, except that the seal had "China" stamped into it. It came in a Randys master overhaul kit, so I was pretty salty about that. I bought a new SKF sea1 from the local NAPA for $9, installed it, and 3 years later it still doesn't leak. I don't know what the difference in cost was between the garbage they shipped me and that SKF seal, but I'd have gladly paid it to have something that didn't leak. Fortunately I do not use crush sleeves, so I didn't have to go through setting bearing preload again. Randy's used to be quality, and the bearings were Timken, but now I think they are sourcing the other parts as cheaply as possible while inflating their prices. Fine, fool me once and all that. I can get bearings, races, and seals off Rock Auto for about the price of a Randy's kit. Guess I'll just do that from now on.
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The problem I’ve found with items made in China is that while they have the proper specifications to build things, they are not always followed. If there is a way to do it cheaper, or “just as good” (not really), many Chinese companies will go the route that gives them a higher profit.
Remember the following items not being made to specification; cooper pipes, tires, sheetrock, wood flooring and, I’m sure, a host of other products not significant enough to make the news.
So, it doesn’t surprise that some products are OK, while others, not so much.
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I've heard varying takes on the reasons why. I've heard that it comes down to the QC of the company overseeing the manufacturing, as when say an American company manufacturers things in China. I've also heard that there is a big disconnect with American's thinking that essentially all Asian nations have the same values, and that when Chinese manufacturing exploded we thought that it would be great, because Japanese products had become so great. Unfortunately there's a gulf of difference between Japanese and Chinese cultures.
A big issue with anything metal manufactured in China is tat they are the destination for most of our scrap metal. Its perfectly fine to use some measure of recycled material when making new metal parts, but most sources say it shouldn't exceed 20% for anything structurally important. There are impurities in recycled material which are impossible to fully purge. Chinese products often simply ignore this, and this is why for example some years back there were a rash of brake rotors that failed when the hat became separated from the rotor itself. I've also heard of Chinese head castings failing due to the same issue.
My thoughts are honestly to just avoid Chinese made stuff whenever possible. Hopefully that's going to become easier here in the coming years.
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Guess you could axe yourself this question....." I wonder if the 'new' pump quality is as good as they were 20+ years ago?"
Personally I would 'bet' on the repair and use your old pump...
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The original seal lasted 20 years without issue. It says TAIWAN on the seal. All I ask is the new one to last half as long as the old one.
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That looks like a viton "high temp" type seal. If it is, they get hard with age and leak. That was the biggest source of oil leaks on those Mitsubishi 3.0 v6 engines at the camshaft. Those, and valve stem seals aside that engine was nearly indestructible otherwise.. Anyway.
I know your bearing has its own seals, but you might want to check if power steering fliud leaked past it. Or that bearing will be watered down and not long for this world.
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