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10/12/2014 2:56 PM  #1


Electric steering from Saturnz......

At the bash I heard "someone"else bring up the possibility of using a Saturn electric steering mechanizing.
suppose to be real simple....real cheap...and work better than all the hydraulic hose stuff now in use on Mustangs!
any of you guys "heavy"on this?
6sal6


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10/12/2014 5:53 PM  #2


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

I dunno about Saturn but civic is the same way on some years.  Plus there also center mounted tie rod racks but lack travel.  Newer racks could be used but you'd want to have your spindles  re drilled and tapered farther up the radius arm so you don't loose your lateral movement for lock to lock. We could even use a taurus rack If we moved up the rack shortened the inner tie rods if we re drilled the radius arms

 

10/12/2014 6:59 PM  #3


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

I'm in the process of acccumulating the parts for an EPS  for my 68.
 There is a complete write up on VMF where a fellow from up my area in Canada, (Slo Poke) has one in operation right now


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10/12/2014 7:24 PM  #4


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

This is on my list of things to do to the 67. I believe a 2002 thru 2007 Saturn Vue is the right fit and you can get the controller off ebay.

 

10/12/2014 9:47 PM  #5


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

You guys might want to take a look at how some of the early 60's bowtie spindles were designed.  They had bolt-on radius arms. That said, you could mill of the factory radius arm and design one that bolts on with the geometry you need.  I think I would make some a bit beefier than these shown, though.


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10/12/2014 10:58 PM  #6


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

MustangSteve wrote:

You guys might want to take a look at how some of the early 60's bowtie spindles were designed.  They had bolt-on radius arms. That said, you could mill of the factory radius arm and design one that bolts on with the geometry you need.  I think I would make some a bit beefier than these shown, though.

MS,  What about that electric power steering kit you were selling?  How has that worked out?  Any sales or results?


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10/13/2014 12:25 AM  #7


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

Yup that's a good idea Steve to maybe use something similar to those bolt on radius arms. Early ford and Chevys had them and probably other makes. Could a 47 ford style bolt on radius arm be a good candidate for an option? I know speedwaymotors sales tons of different types of them.

Last edited by True74yamaha (10/13/2014 12:55 AM)

 

10/13/2014 7:10 AM  #8


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

6sally6 wrote:

At the bash I heard "someone"else bring up the possibility of using a Saturn electric steering mechanizing.
suppose to be real simple....real cheap...and work better than all the hydraulic hose stuff now in use on Mustangs!
any of you guys "heavy"on this?
6sal6

Check out these 2 links...
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/mod-custom-forum/670865-anyone-want-100-electric-power-steering-here-you-go.html
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saturn-Vue-Ion-bowtie-Equinox-Electric-power-steering-controller-box-EPAS-/171027023129?hash=item27d2014519&vxp=mtr#ht_1535wt_650

 


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10/13/2014 7:48 AM  #9


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

My electric steering system has not taken off as I would have expected.  At $1,100 shipped, it is not for everyone.  But, CJPony is selling the exact same kit for $1,650, so I guess I have it priced too low.  (Remember, exact same kit as theirs). 

Apparently, the guys that spend over $1,000 for electric power steering conversions feel their car will be worth more if they throw an extra $500 at it for no reason.

I applaud those of you who want to take a salvage yard setup and make it work on the Mustang.  It will be a bit of work, but if you figure it out should be rewarding.  The next car I build will definitely have electric power steering.

Last edited by MustangSteve (10/13/2014 7:49 AM)


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10/14/2014 6:06 AM  #10


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

MustangSteve wrote:

My electric steering system has not taken off as I would have expected.  At $1,100 shipped, it is not for everyone.  But, CJPony is selling the exact same kit for $1,650, so I guess I have it priced too low.  (Remember, exact same kit as theirs). 

Apparently, the guys that spend over $1,000 for electric power steering conversions feel their car will be worth more if they throw an extra $500 at it for no reason.

I applaud those of you who want to take a salvage yard setup and make it work on the Mustang.  It will be a bit of work, but if you figure it out should be rewarding.  The next car I build will definitely have electric power steering.

Steve - Out of curiosity I tried to look up your kit, but I could not find it in your e-bay store or on your web sites list of products. The only reference I could come up with was the original post to the forum you made announcing it's availability. Could your poor sales be due to it not being known about outside of the forum? You should add it to your products for sale section and include it in the e-bay store. If non-forum members who are considering it from CJ have an easy way of seeing yours while shopping, they will be much more likely to buy from you with your lower price. If I am wrong about it not being listed, then there is a flaw in how the info is accessible to the public. Could explain your dissappointing numbers.

 

10/14/2014 6:26 PM  #11


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

Right you are.  I have not taken the time to properly market it yet.  I was hoping to actually put one on a car before marketing it seriously.  I do not like to sell stuff I have not tried and driven and become expert on the installation, care and feeding of the product.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

10/14/2014 6:48 PM  #12


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

I am still comparing all options for the Falcon, but will basically be starting with nothing, the existing box is a worn out manual with I believ 21-1 ratio. I had planned on a Borgenson and IDIDIT tilt column, and still believe that is the more economical route, but I have one in the Plymouth and while it has great road feel, it does have issue returning after a turn. The thought of not dealing with hoses and have more exhaust clearence, sounds great. I like what i have read on this electric set-up, I need to determine which box to run vs a manual rack. Then I can add up all the parts and really know what each system will cost.

 

10/15/2014 6:14 AM  #13


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

MustangSteve wrote:

Right you are.  I have not taken the time to properly market it yet.  I was hoping to actually put one on a car before marketing it seriously.  I do not like to sell stuff I have not tried and driven and become expert on the installation, care and feeding of the product.

If you're looking for a Test Car...and they'd give you one for an install article/video...I'm in..


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10/16/2014 2:53 PM  #14


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

Does "heavy" mean "savvy"?
 

 

10/17/2014 12:10 PM  #15


Re: Electric steering from Saturnz......

Kar wrote:

I am still comparing all options for the Falcon, but will basically be starting with nothing, the existing box is a worn out manual with I believ 21-1 ratio. I had planned on a Borgenson and IDIDIT tilt column, and still believe that is the more economical route, but I have one in the Plymouth and while it has great road feel, it does have issue returning after a turn. The thought of not dealing with hoses and have more exhaust clearence, sounds great. I like what i have read on this electric set-up, I need to determine which box to run vs a manual rack. Then I can add up all the parts and really know what each system will cost.

In my mind, that is the big downside to a simple power steering upgrade with the electric conversion.  You STILL have to spend money (if your box is worn) to get the steering box updated to a QUIK RATIO BOX and you still have to have all other original type steering linkage in good condition.  For cars having a good, solid manual quick steering setup on their car, the electric is a good option.  Unless you are doing the electric yourself using a junk yard option, it will cost as much as an aftermarket rack and pinion setup, which might be better.  Of course there is the option of a manual aftermarket rack with electric PS.  That would seem to be the best way to go.

We really need to keep an eye on all the new stuff that is coming out.  Every year, some cool new innovative parts show up.  We just need to figure out how to convert them.


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