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3/18/2015 5:06 AM  #1


Drill Bits

In this hobby I go through a lot of Drill Bits.   Just Curious if anyone sharpens there own bits?  Or do you just toss them when there dull and by new ones?

Thanks Steve69

 

3/18/2015 5:18 AM  #2


Re: Drill Bits

I use a Drill Doctor to sharpen mine.  Takes very little time and does a great job.


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3/18/2015 6:34 AM  #3


Re: Drill Bits

John Ha wrote:

I use a Drill Doctor to sharpen mine.  Takes very little time and does a great job.

Same for me.
 


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3/18/2015 8:01 AM  #4


Re: Drill Bits

jkordzi wrote:

John Ha wrote:

I use a Drill Doctor to sharpen mine.  Takes very little time and does a great job.

Same for me.
 

I always wanted to get something like that. We had a drill shaprner at the Power Station maintaince shop I worked at years ago. In just a few seconds it was like you had a new bit.
 


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3/18/2015 9:29 AM  #5


Re: Drill Bits

There's quite a few versions of the Drill Doctor.  Are your units the same as this one?

Thanks
Steve69

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drill-Doctor-DD350X-Drill-Bit-Sharpener-New-/251747985784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9d596978

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3/18/2015 9:54 AM  #6


Re: Drill Bits

Mine says XPK on the side.  Don't have a clue what the differences might be but it works well.


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3/18/2015 10:09 AM  #7


Re: Drill Bits

John Ha wrote:

Mine says XPK on the side.  Don't have a clue what the differences might be but it works well.

Thanks John Ha!

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3/18/2015 10:18 AM  #8


Re: Drill Bits

I have a Drill Doctor and I am mostly happy with it. I have found that the folks that complain about them not working correctly are victims of 100% Operator Error, they don't take the time to learn how to use them correctly or they are trying to do something the Drill Doctor was not designed to do. Having said that, the lower level models do not have replacable grinding wheels, so when you use up all your diamonds, you have to buy a new Drill Doctor, not a new grinding wheel. I gave my Dad one of the original models to sharpen the 3 lb coffee can full of salvaged bits he had accumulated  and he wore out the grinding wheel on that can of bits.

 

3/18/2015 10:39 AM  #9


Re: Drill Bits

Cheaper just to buy it from Drill Doctor...

http://www.drilldoctor.com/featured-products-home-page/drill-doctor-model-350x.html

And it does have a replaceable diamond wheel

Last edited by Mach1_Ron (3/18/2015 10:40 AM)


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3/18/2015 10:59 AM  #10


Re: Drill Bits

Guys, I learned in my apprenticeship how to sharpen drill bits. Drill Doctor didn't exist back then (1960's) It isn't difficult to 'freehand' those bits, especially the larger 1/4" and up sizes. It takes a left 'roll' of the hand while sharpening to get the leading edge out front. Look at a large bit to see what the angle is. Hardest thing is getting the center 'centered'. Once you have it figured out, you'll laugh at all the 'Patent' methods out there. Literally a ten second job on the grinding wheel. Always wear goggles when doing this; that wheel will occassionally throw a drill at you. 

 

3/18/2015 11:13 AM  #11


Re: Drill Bits

ChrisH IA wrote:

Guys, I learned in my apprenticeship how to sharpen drill bits. Drill Doctor didn't exist back then (1960's) It isn't difficult to 'freehand' those bits, especially the larger 1/4" and up sizes. It takes a left 'roll' of the hand while sharpening to get the leading edge out front. Look at a large bit to see what the angle is. Hardest thing is getting the center 'centered'. Once you have it figured out, you'll laugh at all the 'Patent' methods out there. Literally a ten second job on the grinding wheel. Always wear goggles when doing this; that wheel will occassionally throw a drill at you. 

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3/18/2015 12:53 PM  #12


Re: Drill Bits

ChrisH IA wrote:

Guys, I learned in my apprenticeship how to sharpen drill bits. Drill Doctor didn't exist back then (1960's) It isn't difficult to 'freehand' those bits, especially the larger 1/4" and up sizes. It takes a left 'roll' of the hand while sharpening to get the leading edge out front. Look at a large bit to see what the angle is. Hardest thing is getting the center 'centered'. Once you have it figured out, you'll laugh at all the 'Patent' methods out there. Literally a ten second job on the grinding wheel. Always wear goggles when doing this; that wheel will occassionally throw a drill at you. 

  I saw a youtube video of a guy free handing it and showing his technique.  My give that a try and if all fails buying the Drill Doctor.   Thanks for all the info!  Steve69

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3/18/2015 1:05 PM  #13


Re: Drill Bits

My shop teacher has some awesome drill bits I've drilled threw some thick steel with them and they are still as sharp as ever. I'm gonna look at what kind they are Friday when spring break is over for me. I wanna say they are drill master but that doesn't seem right as those are from harbor freight.

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3/18/2015 2:02 PM  #14


Re: Drill Bits

ChrisH IA wrote:

Guys, I learned in my apprenticeship how to sharpen drill bits. Drill Doctor didn't exist back then (1960's) It isn't difficult to 'freehand' those bits, especially the larger 1/4" and up sizes. It takes a left 'roll' of the hand while sharpening to get the leading edge out front. Look at a large bit to see what the angle is. Hardest thing is getting the center 'centered'. Once you have it figured out, you'll laugh at all the 'Patent' methods out there. Literally a ten second job on the grinding wheel. Always wear goggles when doing this; that wheel will occassionally throw a drill at you. 

 
Yup, if you had someone that knew what they were doing teach you and you sharpened enough bits to develop the hand/eye coordination and muscle memory plus the experience to get the point centered, all you need is a grinder of some sort. Watch Tubal Cain's youtube on drill bit sharpening to see how its done and hear his opinion on the Drill Doctors. For the average hobbiest that sharpens a bit every couple of weeks, the sharpening machines make sense.

 

3/18/2015 2:43 PM  #15


Re: Drill Bits

if you buy a good set of bits and use them properly, you will not need to sharpen them for years guaranteed . . but they ain't cheap . . i do keep a couple 1/8 bits around though because i use them several times a day and kinda abuse them plus they occasionally break.

 

3/18/2015 5:49 PM  #16


Re: Drill Bits

Buy the real cobalt steel bits which are pricy, but worth it. I drill quite a bit of stainless (food industry stuff) and have great success with them. Only time I replace one is got broke or lost. I have a couple of drill doctors one for smaller drills and one that does up to 3/4 inch. They work well for most stuff. I find that if you drill tough material like the stainless, feeds and speeds are critical. You need a drill motor with enough torque to keep the chip curling. If you get into anything that starts to skreech or sing, you probably do not have enough pressure, but that doesn't matter now since the skreech starts after the damage is done and the bit quits cutting. Now you are just wearing through. So get good bits and keep them sharp and use enough pressure to get them cutting right away and keep them cutting.

 

3/18/2015 11:16 PM  #17


Re: Drill Bits

For drill bits up to 1/2" I use my Drill Doctor. For larger drills I do by hand, and use this drill bit guide to measure the tip angle and length of the cutting edge.



This vid is a pretty good how to. But I don't think I'd invite him over for beer

https://youtu.be/GID_kRsWnZk

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3/19/2015 5:11 AM  #18


Re: Drill Bits

I cut a lot of Firewood and bought a electric chain sharpner.  It took my about 2 years to master that to sharpen a chain properly.  Now when Im cutting I need saftey goggles on because the wood chipps are flying in my face...LOL 

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3/19/2015 5:53 PM  #19


Re: Drill Bits

If possible use cutting oil when drilling metal.  Its makes the bits last like a million times longer and makes them drill faster too.  Even cheap bits benefit from this.

For sharpening I usually just freehand them.  The tip is usually the only part that gets worn and I can fix that on a bench grinder.  Practice with some junk bits, if you screw up a couple it doesn't matter because they were junk to start with.  I've even put new points on ones I've broken in a pinch. 

The trick to sharpening chainsaw blades is not letting them get too dull.  Watch a tree guy do it sometime.  They sharpen the blade often, and only do maybe three strokes per tooth max with a hand file.  I have a portable Stihl grinder that works great and runs off a car battery.  Its has an angle guide built in, which is where most people screw up doing it freehand. 

 

3/19/2015 9:51 PM  #20


Re: Drill Bits

I have a variety of drills from plain HSS to cobalt to carbide.  I keep them all sharp, but more importantly I try to use a slow speed, and most of the time use cutting fluid when I drill.  This is especially important when I drill large holes.  If you're making dust instead of curls when you drill, then it's likely you either have a dull bit and/or are drilling too fast.  There is an optimal speed that depends on the diameter of the hole, but I typically drill at 200 RPMs or less on anything over 1/4".  This is what I use:
 
That thing hanging off of the drill press is a speed reduction kit I bought from Rogue Fabrications (https://www.roguefab.com/category.php?category=DPRKS).  Here's a closeup:

The link belt reduces the vibration over a plain belt.  On the lowest setting, I think I can go down to about 60 RPMs.  Using a slow speed makes a big difference in drill bit life and accuracy.  It's also much more satisfying watching those big curls come off the steel rather than watching your drill bit burn up.


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3/19/2015 10:06 PM  #21


Re: Drill Bits

Steve69 wrote:

I cut a lot of Firewood and bought a electric chain sharpner.  It took my about 2 years to master that to sharpen a chain properly.  Now when Im cutting I need saftey goggles on because the wood chipps are flying in my face...LOL 

so you know about the hodag then?

one of my relatives was with the group that started that.
 

 

3/20/2015 5:16 AM  #22


Re: Drill Bits

barnett468 wrote:

Steve69 wrote:

I cut a lot of Firewood and bought a electric chain sharpner.  It took my about 2 years to master that to sharpen a chain properly.  Now when Im cutting I need saftey goggles on because the wood chipps are flying in my face...LOL 

so you know about the hodag then?

one of my relatives was with the group that started that.
 

  The only thing I know about the Hodag is its a Festival in Rhinelander in Northern Wisconsin...LOL    Is that what your talking about?
 

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3/20/2015 9:42 AM  #23


Re: Drill Bits

jkordzi wrote:

I have a variety of drills from plain HSS to cobalt to carbide.  I keep them all sharp, but more importantly I try to use a slow speed, and most of the time use cutting fluid when I drill.  This is especially important when I drill large holes.  If you're making dust instead of curls when you drill, then it's likely you either have a dull bit and/or are drilling too fast.  There is an optimal speed that depends on the diameter of the hole, but I typically drill at 200 RPMs or less on anything over 1/4".  This is what I use:
 
That thing hanging off of the drill press is a speed reduction kit I bought from Rogue Fabrications (https://www.roguefab.com/category.php?category=DPRKS).  Here's a closeup:

The link belt reduces the vibration over a plain belt.  On the lowest setting, I think I can go down to about 60 RPMs.  Using a slow speed makes a big difference in drill bit life and accuracy.  It's also much more satisfying watching those big curls come off the steel rather than watching your drill bit burn up.

Nice speed reduction conversion, I did the something similar to my then FIL's drill press many years ago.

 I got my first job in 1957 because I was able to sharpen large drills by hand, a skill learned in technical school.
 I sharpened drills up to 3 inches in diameter by hand.
 One of the best things you can do when sharpening a drill is to add the "split point" feature to it. This will drasticly reduce the effort of drilling a hole. I do the split point with a Dremel using a small cut off wheel.
 Also using a small pilot hole to start and going up wityh incremental sizes will make the task easier when drilling larger diameters.


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3/20/2015 2:29 PM  #24


Re: Drill Bits

Steve69 wrote:

barnett468 wrote:

Steve69 wrote:

I cut a lot of Firewood and bought a electric chain sharpner.  It took my about 2 years to master that to sharpen a chain properly.  Now when Im cutting I need saftey goggles on because the wood chipps are flying in my face...LOL 

so you know about the hodag then?

one of my relatives was with the group that started that.
 

  The only thing I know about the Hodag is its a Festival in Rhinelander in Northern Wisconsin...LOL    Is that what your talking about?
 

lol . . ok, . . a group of guys in a logging camp were bored and thought up this hoax . . they actually "built" a fake animal and claimed they found it and the newspapers took photograps of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodag


hodag stickers


purses and t shirts

Last edited by barnett468 (3/20/2015 2:31 PM)

 

3/20/2015 2:33 PM  #25


Re: Drill Bits

barnett468 wrote:

Steve69 wrote:

barnett468 wrote:


so you know about the hodag then?

one of my relatives was with the group that started that.
 

  The only thing I know about the Hodag is its a Festival in Rhinelander in Northern Wisconsin...LOL    Is that what your talking about?
 

lol . . ok, . . a group of guys in a logging camp were bored and thought up this hoax . . they actually "built" a fake animal and claimed they found it and the newspapers took photograps of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodag


hodag stickers


purses and t shirts

   Well now I now the History.  Been to Rhinelander many times on Vacation and for Hockey Tournaments and seen the Creature in Town.    Never knew what it was...LOL 
 

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