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Hey guys. I have converted my '65 Mustang from the factory alternator to a 130 amp 3G alternator. I don's have an alternator light, I have the factory guage. I also have the Old Air Products electric fan and a Champion radiator. Now it seems that my battery is not being charged. I can drive the car and the fan comes on and then if I stop and turn it off, it will not start, the battery is too weak to start the car. I had the alternator tested and it is putting out 130 amps with no problem. How can I tell if it is charging correctly in the car? My factory guage only moves in the discharge direction when the turn signals or lights are on if at all. I can rev the car and the needle barely swings to the charge side. I think the alternator is charging because when I rev'd the engine, the belt started squealing at higher revs, so I had to tighten it very tight. I performed the wiring correctly and I have the resistor installed. Any ideas? Thanks!
Last edited by wemjr (5/08/2015 8:10 AM)
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I have the 3g Taurus Alternator on mine. Mine reads slightly over 13 volts when running. When I turn the lights or
blinkers it does go down. Mine always starts. How old is your Battery? From the charging wire of Alternator you have it contected to the Positive Battery or Positive side of Starter Solenoid? Could there be anything draining the battery down? When its running Check the Volts from the Positive side of Alterntor to make sure its putting out at least 13volts. Rev the engine a little and see if it goes up. Mine will top out at 14 volts when the engine speeds up. Steve69
Last edited by Steve69 (5/08/2015 8:32 AM)
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Have you had your battery checked? Has this set up worked for a while or has this been a issue sense changing over to the 3G? As Steve said check your battery voltage before you start the car then again after its running, voltage shoud go up when car is running. Where did you connect your Amp meter? It does not connect to the sme wire as the Alt light would, green/red. (sorry had to ask) Green/red should be hot when key is in the run position. Yellow wire should be connected to the batter or near it to monitor battery foltage. If you used a MEGA fuse did you check to see if if is good. Just some things to check.
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Thanks for the quick feedback and suggestions! I have it wired just like this diagram:
I am using the factory guage and connection. I have been having issues since i did the conversion. Maybe my battery is bad. I will do the checks you suggested later this afternoon.
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You can test your alternator by setting your multimeter to 20V or more, and connecting the leads accross the battery when running and not running. Voltage should be in the 13-14 range when running.
As an aside, 65 non GT cars had the sweep speedo cluster with lights. 65 GT cars have a cluster that appears the same as the 66 cluster from the front, but a close examination of the back of the cluster reveals a different ammeter. 65 GT and 66 clusters are different, and the wiring for the ammeters for 65 GT and standard 66 clusters are different. If a 66 cluster has been dropped in without rewiring, the gauges will not read correctly. See JamesW's website for the tips to put a 66 cluster in a 65.
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A cheapie load test is to check battery voltage while cranking. This can help tell you if the battery is bad. Sitting, a pefrfect battery should actualyl have 12.6 volts. Usually, so long as its 12-12.2 all will be well so long as it doesn't fail a load test. When cranking the voltage will drop a little bit, but if you see less than 11 volts the battery is likely done.
When you wired the new alternator did you eliminate all the stock wiring, or did you reuse some of it?
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My car is a 65 with the Pony interior option. I thought that the 5 guage cluster was part of this option package? I used new wiring up to the solenoid (which I replaced) and disconnected the voltage regulator and tapped into the "I" terminal wire near the battery. I did not remove any stock wiring between the solenoid and voltage regulator. I have all new battery cables. I will get my battery load tested this weekend. Thanks!
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Yes, you're right. 5 gauge cluster was also part of factory deluxe interior package.. Apologies....
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wemjr wrote:
Thanks for the quick feedback and suggestions! I have it wired just like this diagram:
I am using the factory guage and connection. I have been having issues since i did the conversion. Maybe my battery is bad. I will do the checks you suggested later this afternoon.
Did mine just like your diagram.
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Thanks! Now I have ideas to work with. I'll keep you all posted on how it goes.
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Okay guys. Here goes....I went home and put my charger on the battery for about 2 hours. I checked the voltage and it read 12.6. When I rev'd the engine it would go only as high as 12.8 to 12.9. I let it run long enough for the electric cooling fan to turn on and the voltage dropped to 11.2 and held steady. I rev'd the engine and it barely got above 11.7. I forgot to check the cranking voltage. I will do that tomorrow. That being said, any ideas now? Is my alternator bad? Or do I just have a toasted battery? The cold cranking amps are 525. Thanks!
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Oops.....I just reread TimC's post about the running volts needing to be between 13 to 14 volts. I will get the alternator tested and go from there.....Thanks!
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Have you verified that you really have voltage at the lt.grn/red wire? I think some of the connections in that circuit may go through the firewall and if you have a bad connection at that junction you may not be getting your 12 volt source. Sounds like the battery is fine - it just isn't charging. Put it on the charger again and jumper the grn/red wire to the battery to see if it starts to charge or just measure voltage where it connects into your old wiring to verify that you have 12 volts. Any chance you blew the fuse at some point? Even with the lights on and fan on, with 130 amps you should be running at 14 volts when you come off idle. What size alternator pulley and crank pulley are you running?
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GPatrick, I did not check the lt. grn/red wire. I will do that first thing tomorrow morning. I checked the fuse and it is good. Just to be sure, you want me to jumper the wire to the ground post on the battery correct? I am running the factory stock size pulleys. Thanks.
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NO NO NO, GP wants you to jumper the lt green/ red to positive. Always best to used a fused jumper if you have or can make one.
Just out of curiosity, where exactly did you connect the gr/red wire?
Last edited by wsinsle (5/09/2015 5:52 AM)
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If the alternator tested good, I would do more testing with a voltmeter/ ohm meter. With vehicle off. First I would check the ohm readings from the chassis ground bolt (on alternator) to the negative on the battery. If this number is more than a few ohms (or doesn't read anything) I would improve the chassis ground or ground directly to the battery. Next you can check for voltage losses along your positive wire. Change readout of multimeter to volts DC. With vehicle running. Put the red lead on the alternator output and negative on the battery negative. If that reading is higher than battery voltage, there is a problem somewhere in the positive battery cable see step 3, if it is the same voltage go to step 2.
2: If the voltage is the same as battery voltage, I would make sure your resistor is in good condition, if it is have the alternator tested again somewhere else or replace it. If none of that helps, it could be some of the wires from the interior of the car that go through the firewall to excite the regulator in the alternator
3: Next put positive test lead on the alternator side of the mega fuse, voltage should be the same as previous test. If not- there is a problem with cable, crimp connections or bolt connections. Next put positive test lead on solenoid side of megafuse, voltage should be the same as first test. If not make sure fuse is good by testing continuity across fuse terminals. If fuse checks good, inspect cable and connections.
Last edited by MachTJ (5/09/2015 8:35 AM)
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Hey guys!! I jumpered the lt grn/red wire to the positive side of the solenoid and the volts jumped up to 14.77! I had originally connected it to the "i" terminal on the old voltage regulator wiring. Now it seems to be working great. I let the electric fan come on and turned on all of the lights and volts dropped to 13.45 and when I rev'd the engine they went back to a steady 14.77. The fan even seems to run faster. Now my only problem is the alternator belt is squealing like a banshee. Any idea as to why jumping the lt grn/red wire directly to positive made a difference? Thanks for everyone's input. You all ROCK!
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Either you connected to the wrong wire, the "I" wire at the old regulater is broken somewhere, or the connector going through the firewall is loose or not making contact. Hook your voltmeter to the wire you had the lt grn/red hooked up to originally and check the voltage to ground at that wire with and without the key on. If things have been moved around, make sure the wire you hooked up to was the "I" wire at the old regulator and not the "I" wire at your starter solenoid. At least you know the alternator is working!
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Just don't leave the wire jumped to steady positive. This would probably drain the battery when not running, and maybe damage the Alt. You need a wire that is hot when the car is running only to connect to the gr/red.
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