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6/10/2015 9:42 PM  #1


Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

Hi guys, it's been a long time…
I know it's not a Mustang but the electrical components are synonymous, hopefully you guys can help

I had an episode where all the lights in the car stopped working except the headlights.
No brake lights, marker lights or dash lights. Only headlamps worked

I parked the car and put a test light on the fuse panel a few days later.
All the fuses tested OK and when switched ACC I had power to all the panel circuits.
I pulled on the headlight switch and everything was working. Fixed itself.

Fast forward to last night.
I drove the car with the headlights on for about 25 minutes.
When I noticed the dash lights were out I drove it home and found that, again all lights but the headlamps were out.
After I arrived I wiggled the connection at the head light switch hoping it would fix it.
I checked/wiggled the two grounds in the trunk near the trunk latch and nothing came back on.
I put the car away.

Today I went to the garage and pulled the headlight switch and everything worked again.
It's like a breaker is tripping I assume something gets hot and the lighting circuit fails.


Is there a breaker in the lighting circuit?
Anyone have a good handle on 1968 wiring?



 

6/11/2015 2:44 AM  #2


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

I did a searcch and found one thread that might be helpful.  In this case the problem turned out to be a bad horn contact.  There are some other wiring links that may help.  Many recommend installing a horn relay that does not use the lighting circuit at all, and installing a headlight relay to avoid overloading the original switch.  Did you install halogens that could be overloading the system?  Nice looking ride, by the way!  http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/fairlane-pages/507848-weird-electrical-issue.html

 

6/11/2015 4:49 AM  #3


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

First off, nice ride.  Always did like the Fairlanes, almost bought one more years ago than I care to admit. 

Second, your idea that it seems like a circuit breaker is triping is likely on the right track.  If its like a Mustang, and it wouldn't surprise me if it is, there is a circuit breaker built into the headlight switch.  What's likely happening is that the draw from modern headlight bulbs is overloading the circuit and causing it to trip out.  Once the load's off, and it cools down, the breaker resets and it works again.  This was happening on my Mustang, except I would lose my headlights.  A bit scary.  The solution is to install relays that can move the high load power switching from the headlight switch to the relay.  I bought a kit to do mine, but honestly, now that I see how it works I could have saved a lot and just sourced the stuff myself.  Installation is pretty easy, I used the headlight pigtails to splice in the connections, keeping my expensive main harness clean.  Carefully mounting the relays and routing the wiring I think it looks like it belongs there other than the relays don't look like something from the '60s, but if I'd wanted to hide them I could have, instead I mounted them to the LH inner fender near the front of the car (you want them as close to the lights as possible).  You need two relays and some wire.  The power wire, which is going to tie to the battery, or probably most easily to the battery side of the starter solenoid, should be 10 gage wire.  The wires feeding power to the headlights should be 10-12 gauge too.  The trigger wires can be lighter 14-16 gauge stuff.

 

6/11/2015 5:14 AM  #4


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

Phil...sounds like you are getting all the help you need so I'll just say WELCOME BACK.  I hope all is well with you.

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6/11/2015 5:58 AM  #5


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

I really don't think it is a head light issue, although the relay upgrade is a good idea. If the head lights were causing the problem you would lose them too. The 66 Mustang has a circuit breaker in the headlight switch to control the lights. I think, oh no hear goes my wonderful memory again, the 68 has 2 circuit breakers in the headlight switch. This is why the headlights are staying on. Sounds like it’s a ground problem or a bad headlight switch. If there is a plug for the wires going up the steering column, you could try unplugging it. This would tell if it’s a horn problem as GP suggested. You don't have to drive it, just turn the lights on for 20 minutes or so. Maybe when I get home and check some wiring diagrams I'll have some more ideas. Using my memory just might get you into trouble.
 


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6/11/2015 9:30 AM  #6


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

Check the resistor contact on the head light switch (the coil of wire on the ceramic disc) your aux lights, dash,etc route through there.


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6/11/2015 2:02 PM  #7


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

If the headlights are still working when all the others fail, then the headlight breaker is not the issue.  All the other lights run off of fused circuits, so I would suspect something at the fuse box.  It could be a fuse that lets loose when it gets hot or a corroded fuse clamp.  My first step would be to replace turn signal and taillight fuses.
Always try the cheapest and easiest fix first.  If that is not the issue, at least you know you have good connections there as you troubleshoot the rest of the wiring.


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6/11/2015 9:27 PM  #8


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

MustangSteve wrote:

If the headlights are still working when all the others fail, then the headlight breaker is not the issue.  All the other lights run off of fused circuits, so I would suspect something at the fuse box.  It could be a fuse that lets loose when it gets hot or a corroded fuse clamp.  My first step would be to replace turn signal and taillight fuses.
Always try the cheapest and easiest fix first.  If that is not the issue, at least you know you have good connections there as you troubleshoot the rest of the wiring.

 
Thanks guys and to you MS. I ordered a Motorcraft replacement switch just because I could probably stand to replace everything on the car LOL

The fuses and the panel all appeared to be in good shape but I will start looking them over more carefully. I originally suspected a bad ground but I think I found all the ground spots and they are all clean and on good metal (there may be a few I do not know about thought)

This car had no turn signals until very recently when I found a 68 Ranchero in the junkyard and grabbed its switch. This issue popped up before that though.

I'll see what the new switch does for me and then I'll look at the other stuff mentioned in this thread.


I kinda stepped away from the car thing for a while but a 99 Jeep Cherokee has me back wrenching. I sold my 70 Fairlane to pay for some of my grad school tuition. I miss that car quite a bit

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6/11/2015 9:31 PM  #9


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

phil wrote:

MustangSteve wrote:

If the headlights are still working when all the others fail, then the headlight breaker is not the issue.  All the other lights run off of fused circuits, so I would suspect something at the fuse box.  It could be a fuse that lets loose when it gets hot or a corroded fuse clamp.  My first step would be to replace turn signal and taillight fuses.
Always try the cheapest and easiest fix first.  If that is not the issue, at least you know you have good connections there as you troubleshoot the rest of the wiring.

 
Thanks guys and to you MS. I ordered a Motorcraft replacement switch just because I could probably stand to replace everything on the car LOL

The fuses and the panel all appeared to be in good shape but I will start looking them over more carefully. I originally suspected a bad ground but I think I found all the ground spots and they are all clean and on good metal (there may be a few I do not know about thought)

This car had no turn signals until very recently when I found a 68 Ranchero in the junkyard and grabbed its switch. This issue popped up before that though.

I'll see what the new switch does for me and then I'll look at the other stuff mentioned in this thread.


I kinda stepped away from the car thing for a while but a 99 Jeep Cherokee has me back wrenching. I sold my 70 Fairlane to pay for some of my grad school tuition. I miss that car quite a bit

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6/12/2015 4:41 AM  #10


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

wsinsle wrote:

I really don't think it is a head light issue, although the relay upgrade is a good idea. If the head lights were causing the problem you would lose them too. The 66 Mustang has a circuit breaker in the headlight switch to control the lights. I think, oh no hear goes my wonderful memory again, the 68 has 2 circuit breakers in the headlight switch. This is why the headlights are staying on. Sounds like it’s a ground problem or a bad headlight switch. If there is a plug for the wires going up the steering column, you could try unplugging it. This would tell if it’s a horn problem as GP suggested. You don't have to drive it, just turn the lights on for 20 minutes or so. Maybe when I get home and check some wiring diagrams I'll have some more ideas. Using my memory just might get you into trouble.
 

See I thought initially that my headlight switch was bad too, but in thinking about it I had already replaced that switch once, and had used a Motorcraft switch.  It may solve the issue temporarily, but long term the problem came back.  If the switch has two circuit breakers the one for the headlights may be holding at the expense of the one for all the other lights. 
 

 

6/12/2015 6:26 AM  #11


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

Just want to reiterate one point. The switch could be bad but would be my last guess. When I said a bad ground, I didn’t mean a loose or bad connecting ground, which causes a lot of problems. I meant a bare wire shorting to ground. That is why I suggested unplugging the wire to the steering column. If there is a short in there things could be fine. When you turn the wheel it may cause a wire to rub to ground. I did look at my 68 Mustang prints last night and they do show 2 circuit breakers in the light switch. Really didn’t have a lot of time to dig into this much, so right now it is just a guess.
 


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6/12/2015 10:41 AM  #12


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

I had the same problem with my 67 mustang. Exactly the same. After three headlight switches it turned out to be the steering column harness (turn signal switch) was shorting out in the column. Not sure which wire was shorting out, I can remember. So I replaced the turn signal switch harness and all returned to normal.  A friend of mine kept telling me to change the turn signal switch, but I didn't listen. I drove that thing around for two years with that intermittent problem. Should have listned I guess. Good luck!
 


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6/12/2015 11:47 AM  #13


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

6sally6 wrote:

phil wrote:

MustangSteve wrote:

If the headlights are still working when all the others fail, then the headlight breaker is not the issue.  All the other lights run off of fused circuits, so I would suspect something at the fuse box.  It could be a fuse that lets loose when it gets hot or a corroded fuse clamp.  My first step would be to replace turn signal and taillight fuses.
Always try the cheapest and easiest fix first.  If that is not the issue, at least you know you have good connections there as you troubleshoot the rest of the wiring.

 
Thanks guys and to you MS. I ordered a Motorcraft replacement switch just because I could probably stand to replace everything on the car LOL

The fuses and the panel all appeared to be in good shape but I will start looking them over more carefully. I originally suspected a bad ground but I think I found all the ground spots and they are all clean and on good metal (there may be a few I do not know about thought)

This car had no turn signals until very recently when I found a 68 Ranchero in the junkyard and grabbed its switch. This issue popped up before that though.

I'll see what the new switch does for me and then I'll look at the other stuff mentioned in this thread.


I kinda stepped away from the car thing for a while but a 99 Jeep Cherokee has me back wrenching. I sold my 70 Fairlane to pay for some of my grad school tuition. I miss that car quite a bit

I REMEMBER YOU, NOW!!!!  You're the guy that took all the pictures with really cool background...Old plants etc. Welcome back.............missed the pics!
 

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6/12/2015 7:08 PM  #14


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

Thanks guys, yeah I sold the 70 so I could go back for my Masters degree in instructional design.
I got a couple new jobs since I was around here last. I miss the car a LOT but I was at a point where I couldn't afford to fix it if it broke. Lately I have been working on building up a Cherokee




Working on my Daily Driver too. 04 P71 (at least its a Ford)



As for the turn signal switch, I will look into it.
The car never had signals as long as I owned it. The light issue started and then I found a used switch and put it in. The issue persisted.

The new switches for the Fairlanes are junk so I was holding out for an OEM one.
Obviously the breaker is tripping for a reason. I'll try to trace it and report back if I ever find it.


Sorry for all he OT pics. I figure the classic Fairlane is close enough (I hope). I missed this board. Between this and TorinoCobra.com there aren't a better bunch of gearheads

Last edited by phil (6/12/2015 7:11 PM)

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6/13/2015 6:11 AM  #15


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

I should have finished my thought there.  What I was saying is that the switch wasn't my problem.  The problem was the load imposed by the new style headlights (nothing special, but modern bulbs draw a lot more than the ones they had in the '60s) was causing the switch to overheat and trip the breaker.  Converting to relay activation for the headlights is what solved the issue. 

 

6/17/2015 5:59 PM  #16


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

UPDATE: Got the motorcraft switch installed yesterday and drove around for an hour plus. So far the lights worked the whole time. I plan to get a longer drive in when the forecast stops looking so iffy

Thanks for the leads gents!

Last edited by phil (6/17/2015 6:00 PM)

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6/17/2015 7:00 PM  #17


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

Phil - sorry this is a little late, Mutang Monthly did a "How-To" troubleshoot headlight switches article in the June 2010 issue, link below.
I believe the switch body is the same for all Ford models for many years, the difference being the switch bracket is specific to a model.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/interior-electrical/mump-1006-ford-mustang-troubleshooting-headlight-switches/


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6/18/2015 4:35 AM  #18


Re: Issue with lights on my 68 Fairlane

phil wrote:

UPDATE: Got the motorcraft switch installed yesterday and drove around for an hour plus. So far the lights worked the whole time. I plan to get a longer drive in when the forecast stops looking so iffy

Thanks for the leads gents!

Phil, hope you don't live in south-western PA because it's going to be iffy for a while here. Looks like you got your problem solved. Also don't ever apologize for posting pics that nice.
Bob, good article. It states the 65 and 68 switches are the same. My print shows them as different. The 65/66 has 1 circuit breaker the 68 has 2. This isn’t the first time I found issues with these old prints, just something I'll have to remember. But probably wont.

 


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