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8/31/2015 8:40 PM  #1


versaille rear disc brakes

Question to MS.  I have been reading some info about the Versaille brakes and have some questions.  Comments are made that those brakes won't work unless the driver ALWAYS applies the ebrake each time the car is parked, that the pads won't adjust up enough for the rear brakes to ever work properly.  I find it hard to believe with all those rear brake assemblies on Lincolns, Grand Marquis, Crown Vics and Versailles the brakes have that problem.  People never applied the ebrake each time the vehicle was parked so would that mean the rear brakes never worked on those car lines?  Can you shed some light on this?  I have a set on a Versaille axle and don't know if I should use them.  Thanks  Jerry


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8/31/2015 8:49 PM  #2


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

I ran a Versailles rear axle for several years, my park brake was operational but rarely used, never once did I feel that the rear brakes weren't holding, always seemed to be working fine. 


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8/31/2015 9:51 PM  #3


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

I have a full set of freshly powder coated ebrakes to sell to someone. I quit them and went with the MS Cobra Brakes upgrade.

 

9/01/2015 12:21 PM  #4


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

I ran a Versalles rearend for years and never had a problem, I changed to an 8.8 because the unsprung weight was much lighter.


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9/01/2015 3:55 PM  #5


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

The ebrakes can be made to work, but every part in there has to be in perfect condition and most simply are not.  I had mine where they would hold the car but I never had confidence in them.  You do have to ecxercise them to keep them adjusted.  I believe that the Versailles had a foot operated parking brake lever with a long stroke and better force multiplication than the lever under Most Mustangs.  That is why it was not an issue on the Versailles, I bet.

If you have at least 15" wheels, the best thing is to convert to COBRA rear brakes.  You will lose about 40 pounds of unsprung weight, the brakes do not drag like the Versailles brakes, They work much better, and you get a modern functioning ebrake. (even though it is nearly the same design ebrake as the Versailles, it works alot better.

 


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9/01/2015 8:07 PM  #6


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

You have to keep tension on the parking levers for the spring loaded caliper pistons to adjust for pad wear. The best way is to hook up your cables to the rear versailles cables. As ms mentioned, the force used to set the brakes is pretty tough for minimal parking brake effectiveness.  You really need Arnold swartzenegger arms

 

9/01/2015 8:47 PM  #7


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

MustangSteve wrote:

The ebrakes can be made to work, but every part in there has to be in perfect condition and most simply are not.  I had mine where they would hold the car but I never had confidence in them.  You do have to ecxercise them to keep them adjusted.  I believe that the Versailles had a foot operated parking brake lever with a long stroke and better force multiplication than the lever under Most Mustangs.  That is why it was not an issue on the Versailles, I bet.

If you have at least 15" wheels, the best thing is to convert to COBRA rear brakes.  You will lose about 40 pounds of unsprung weight, the brakes do not drag like the Versailles brakes, They work much better, and you get a modern functioning ebrake. (even though it is nearly the same design ebrake as the Versailles, it works alot better.

 

MS, I have 15 inch wheels.  What kind of cost am I looking at to go with the Cobra brakes?  Thanks  Jerry
 


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9/02/2015 12:57 PM  #8


Re: versaille rear disc brakes

Cobra rear brakes will set you back around $600 if you buy my bracket kit with ebrake cables and a complete set of new/rebuilt cobra calipers and rotors from autozone, for example.  I have a parts list that shows everything if you want to email me and request it.  steve@mustangsteve.com
That cost includes new wheel bearings as they have to be replaced when you remove the Versailles brackets and iinstall mine.
If you can score some COBRA calipers used for cheap, then it all gets cheaper.
It was mentioned that you need some tension on the cables in static position to keep the calipers adjusted.  I did not find that to be the case, but it usually winds up that way trying to provide enough stroke to apply the ebrake..  Any pre-tension on Versailles caliper cables will cause the brakes to drag, causing "blue rotor syndrome" if they are too tight.  The levers at rest are against a stop and that is in fully released position.  And movement from that stop starts applying the brake.  That is why it is so hard to get early Mustangs set up with those brakes.  They either drag or they do not have enough stroke in the cable to fully apply.  The levers go from static position and movement of the lever only goes so far until they are stopped at the fully applied position.  There are three ballbearings that ride on a ramp, each spaced 120 degrees apart.  As you move the lever, they go from static to rolling up the ramp to fully applied.  Further tension on the cable does nothing more once they have reached full application.  That is when the "everything in 100% perfect condition" comes into play.  The pistons have to be adjusted so the pads are very close to the rotors, or that small amount of movement provided by those three ballbearings will not push the piston enough to make the pads contact the rotor.  And the ebrake self-adjusting function inside the caliper needs to not be frozen up so it tries to rotate and adjust itself on every ebrake application.  It is important to apply the ebrake alot to keep them working, if they work at all.

Same goes for COBRA or other late model Mustang rear discs ebrake.  Use it or lose it, but at least they work well when properly installed.


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