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Hey guys. New owner here looking for clarification. I ultimately want power disc brakes and a t5 cable operated clutch in my car with five lug wheels(modern). I'm going to have to do it in stages since money is tight. I need to figure out the best way to group these projects together so they make sense and I'm not responding money.
So working backwards, I know the five lug wheels will be done with the rear end. I'll need to wait on the front disc conversion until I can do disc/rear axle/ wheels at the same time. So my next thought is doing power drum which will require spending money on a master cylinder that ultimately will have to be replaced (not a huge deal) but from what I've read needs the clutch cable will need to be done at the same time because it is in the way of the booster. That's ok because Mustang Steve sells a kit that has the clutch cable conversion and the power brake conversion all in one shot. So if I do that I'll want to do the t5 at the same time. This is where the research gets tricky. It looks like I should have a 9 inch clutch because my starter has 2 bolts. On the cable conversion page on Steve's site it lists working bestr with 10 and 11 inch clutches. Do I need to buy a new clutch and flywheel? I was thinking I should buy a new clutch anyway to get the modern looking one instead of the three finger thing in there now, plus I think I have to get a different disc to work with the t5 input shaft?
I do have a question about the t5 selection. The v8 ones are getting harder to find, I know using the 4 cylinder ones require using a diesel ranger piliot bearing but the gearing is less than ideal. What would that gearing do for my 200? Would it make it better or worse? I get confused sometimes about the numerical diferences.
Is there any way to break this up into more than two chunks?
Thanks for any advice.
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I forgot to ask, Can I do the cluch cable upgrade and wait on the 5 speed? It seems like it would be best to enjoy them together.
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Is there a reason you can't do the MS cable operated clutch conversion to your current 3sp (I'm guessing) as it only operates the clutch fork? That would give you time to save/research on finding a proper T5. I wouldn't rush to use a less desirable 4cyl. T5 just to get it in, you may regret it later.
TMK all of the starters are 2 bolt so clutch size should match the trans/bellhousing. You'll also have to match the oz. of the flywheel to the harmonic balancer as the later model (T5) have a 50oz. balancer/flywheel.
Jon
Edit: Started thinking about the clutch size issue and I'm guessing you're planning on mating your 6cyl. bellhousing to the T5 which would be why you may have to use a 9" clutch?
Last edited by Jonk67 (5/27/2013 9:57 AM)
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I think I read somewhere that the power booster will get in the way unless you run the clutch cable.
I was under the impression I HAD to use the 6 cylinder belhousing/flywheel/clutch/starter, is that not the case?
I do agree that I don't want to rush buying any parts and make sure I have my research and a solid plan in place prior to starting anything. I've tried the shotgun method before and it usually ends poorly.
Other than the first gear ratio is there a drawback to the cheaper less desirable trasmission? I don't think this 200 is still putting out all its advertised horsepower and I'm mainly looking for a nice cruiser, so abuse of the trasmission isn't a concern. It is strong enough to hold the torque that 6 cylinder will put at it.
Thanks for theh help
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For your 66, 6 cylinder, (assuming 200ci) to convert to a T5, the 93 or earlier 4 cylinder transmission will work just fine. Billy Walton has one in his 66 behind a V8 and has had no problems. To install the T5, you will need to modify the existing bellhousing using an adapter plate (I have those), relocating the pivot stud to the passenger side and adding a cable stop to the outside of the bellhousing front edge. Use a 90 5.0 release lever and bearing. Use a 92 Ranger 9" pressure plate and your existing (or a new replacement) clutch disc. The existing flywheel and starter will be used. I can advise in more detail about the bellhousing changes when you get closer to actually doing it.
Once all that is done, the cable clutch setup is no problem and will connect right to it. You will need to have the driveshaft reworked to fit.
You can add the power brakes after the cable clutch is done so the original clutch linkage won't be in the way of the booster. If the original drum brake master cylinder is working OK right now, I would continue to use it with the new booster until you convert to discs later on.
You are on the right track with the 5 lug conversion. Do the front and rear at the same time.
If you have a V8 conversion in the future plans, I would NOT do the six cylinder T5 conversion, but rather just wait until the V8 goes in. The money you spend on a V8 T5 bellhousing will be alot less than what you will spend to modify a L-6 bellhousing, even if you bought a brand new T5 bellhousing.
Deb did the T5 conversion in her 66 coupe with a 200 L-6, installed V8 brakes and a 8" rear with 3.40:1 gears. That car was a blast to drive and got over 30 MPG highway.
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Thanks for the info Steve.
To answer your question, I don't plan to ever swap out to a V8.
I did have a very wise man once tell me (you) it wasn't much fun taking the pedal brackets out. That's the reason I figured to buy the clutch pedal with bearings, power brake booster and pedal assy all at once. That way I wouldn't have to take it in and out a bunch of times.
How does this look for a list:
t5 4 cylinder mustang
ranger diesel pilot bearing
92 ranger pressure plate ( can I use a ranger clutch disc too?)
5.0 clutch fork
5.0 throw out bearing
ck-165m master kit
shorten driveshaft
figure out gear teeth for spedo
Can I do a dual chamber master cylinder for drum/drum or is that only disc drum (my current one leaks)
I think that would be a good phase one
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You cannot use the Ranger clutch disc because it has too many splines on the shaft. I have one rebuilt drum/drum master cylinder that I will give to you if you buy the CK-165M setup. Then you can chunk it when you go to discs.
Phase one looks like a good plan.
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