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3/22/2016 6:36 PM  #1


Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

So as the easiest projects go...... this one got harder. I have a 66 mustang with a 331 stroker and using an Edelbrock Air Gap manifold. I recently switched to a Derale electric fan with thermostatic control. I also  want to maintain the factory gauge. As was pointed out on a post from a few years back, both sending units can't run off the same manifold location. The manifold I have doesn't have a provision for alternative sensor location and I am doing whatever I can to not have to drill the manifold.

From what I can see I have four options that I would like to get the groups opinion on:
1 - Split the radiator hose to the thermostat and install an adapter that has the sensor bung
2 - Split the heater hose (not sure which one - I would assume the one from the motor to the heater core) and install an adapter with the bung
3 - Drill and tap the brass heater hose fitting on the manifold and install the sensor
4- It looks like there is a brass plug on the lower front passenger side of the block that may hit a coolant passage

From an ease of installation I "think" my best options are either 2 or 3 but would greatly appreciate some input. (I definitely plan on running the fan from the factor sensor location).

Thanks in advance -
Dan

 

3/22/2016 6:56 PM  #2


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

I guess I would do the opposite of what you intend to do.  I would like an accurate true engine temperature and I think the location on the manifold is better than any of the options you llisted for a temperature sensor.  The fan doesn't need to come on unless there is flow so, if your t-stat got stuck, for example, the fan would turn on but you may not be aware that your temps are out of control.  A short tube with a bung on the radiator return line would work for the fan and if properly used, a radiator sensor would detect warm coolant flow in the radiator when it is time to turn the fan on.  Some are adjustable to account for positioning.

At one time I had a t-stat housing that had a tapped hole after the t-stat that would work in your application as well.  What engine and belt/water pump/t-stat setup are you running?
 

 

3/22/2016 7:45 PM  #3


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

My RPM manifold had a threaded hole on the rear(driver side) I used for my temp sensor. Is the Air Gap different?
6s6


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3/22/2016 9:46 PM  #4


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

I just got through with a car having an Air Gap intake.  He wanted two gauges connected, the factory one and an aftermarket.  He originally installed a pipe tee sticking up from only available hole in the manifold and had one in the horizontal part of the tee and one in the vertical part.  Both gauges read inaccurately because their sensors were not submerged in the coolant.
I removed the T and installed the factory gauge back where it belonged.  Luckily the aftermarket gauge used a sensor that attached in a 1/8" NPT hole.  So, I drilled a hole in the intake near the original sensor hole and threaded the hole and installed the sensor.  I do not think I would try that if you have larger than 1/8" pipe thread size.  Be sure to place the hole far enough away from the distributor to not interfere with distributor movement.

Otherwise my usual advice stands:  Put a real fan on it and never look back.  You will Never have problems with it like you are inducing with an electric fan.  Just my usual, unsolicited, unappreciated worldly advice.


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3/22/2016 9:59 PM  #5


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

I mounted the sensor for the fan controller in the front passenger side block drain hole. Works fine.

 

3/23/2016 6:21 AM  #6


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

GPatrick wrote:

I guess I would do the opposite of what you intend to do.  I would like an accurate true engine temperature and I think the location on the manifold is better than any of the options you llisted for a temperature sensor.  The fan doesn't need to come on unless there is flow so, if your t-stat got stuck, for example, the fan would turn on but you may not be aware that your temps are out of control.  A short tube with a bung on the radiator return line would work for the fan and if properly used, a radiator sensor would detect warm coolant flow in the radiator when it is time to turn the fan on.  Some are adjustable to account for positioning.

At one time I had a t-stat housing that had a tapped hole after the t-stat that would work in your application as well.  What engine and belt/water pump/t-stat setup are you running?
 

I thought about switching to the other type of sensor but then am out the money I spent in the controller I have now. Since the sensor is wired to the module I can't just replace that part.

And I tried looking for the thermostat housing with the bung but the only ones I could find are like the one I have - with a radiator hose and hose from housing to water pump. As far as your other question - 5.0 block, stock style 66 289 water pump and thermostat housing as well as stock belt configuration.

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3/23/2016 6:23 AM  #7


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

6sally6 wrote:

My RPM manifold had a threaded hole on the rear(driver side) I used for my temp sensor. Is the Air Gap different?
6s6

Unfortunately yes - the threaded hole on mine goes into the number 8 intake runner not a coolant passage.

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3/23/2016 6:27 AM  #8


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

MS wrote:

I just got through with a car having an Air Gap intake.  He wanted two gauges connected, the factory one and an aftermarket.  He originally installed a pipe tee sticking up from only available hole in the manifold and had one in the horizontal part of the tee and one in the vertical part.  Both gauges read inaccurately because their sensors were not submerged in the coolant.
I removed the T and installed the factory gauge back where it belonged.  Luckily the aftermarket gauge used a sensor that attached in a 1/8" NPT hole.  So, I drilled a hole in the intake near the original sensor hole and threaded the hole and installed the sensor.  I do not think I would try that if you have larger than 1/8" pipe thread size.  Be sure to place the hole far enough away from the distributor to not interfere with distributor movement.

Otherwise my usual advice stands:  Put a real fan on it and never look back.  You will Never have problems with it like you are inducing with an electric fan.  Just my usual, unsolicited, unappreciated worldly advice.

I learned the lesson with the T - I couldn't get the fan to turn on consistently. I did see a boss that I could drill on the manifold but an using that as a last resort. Do you have an opinion on drilling and tapping the heater hose fitting? It is perfectly flat, I can removed it, and if I screw it up I am only out the cost of the fitting.

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3/23/2016 6:28 AM  #9


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

whlnut wrote:

I mounted the sensor for the fan controller in the front passenger side block drain hole. Works fine.

Thank you - This would definitely be my easiest option since I can run the wiring down with the starter wires.

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3/23/2016 8:03 AM  #10


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

MS wrote:

I just got through with a car having an Air Gap intake.  He wanted two gauges connected, the factory one and an aftermarket.  He originally installed a pipe tee sticking up from only available hole in the manifold and had one in the horizontal part of the tee and one in the vertical part.  Both gauges read inaccurately because their sensors were not submerged in the coolant.
I removed the T and installed the factory gauge back where it belonged.  Luckily the aftermarket gauge used a sensor that attached in a 1/8" NPT hole.  So, I drilled a hole in the intake near the original sensor hole and threaded the hole and installed the sensor.  I do not think I would try that if you have larger than 1/8" pipe thread size.  Be sure to place the hole far enough away from the distributor to not interfere with distributor movement.

Otherwise my usual advice stands:  Put a real fan on it and never look back.  You will Never have problems with it like you are inducing with an electric fan.  Just my usual, unsolicited, unappreciated worldly advice.

 

 Your advice is OK here Steve. I went through the electric pusher , puller , sensor here, sensor there and finally  put on a tried and true mechanical. My 331 now holds at 180 in 90 degree weather in traffic with the air on.
  I don't miss the extra horse power that the "real" fan eats up.


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3/23/2016 9:12 AM  #11


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

perkdc wrote:

So as the easiest projects go...... this one got harder. I have a 66 mustang with a 331 stroker and using an Edelbrock Air Gap manifold. I recently switched to a Derale electric fan with thermostatic control. I also  want to maintain the factory gauge. As was pointed out on a post from a few years back, both sending units can't run off the same manifold location. The manifold I have doesn't have a provision for alternative sensor location and I am doing whatever I can to not have to drill the manifold.

From what I can see I have four options that I would like to get the groups opinion on:
1 - Split the radiator hose to the thermostat and install an adapter that has the sensor bung
2 - Split the heater hose (not sure which one - I would assume the one from the motor to the heater core) and install an adapter with the bung
3 - Drill and tap the brass heater hose fitting on the manifold and install the sensor
4- It looks like there is a brass plug on the lower front passenger side of the block that may hit a coolant passage

You want a temperature sensor to control the fans that cool the radiator.  Shouldn't that sensor be on the radiator - near the bottom so that the fans come on if the coolant temperature at the bottom of the radiator is too high?

You can buy clip-on sensors.  The only real question is what the open and close values should be.


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3/23/2016 12:25 PM  #12


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

You can also buy an aluminum sleeve that splices into the lower radiator hose that has a threaded bung for a drain petcock (1/8" npt), that you can use for a temperature sensor. I hooked one up there to see what the differential temperature was across the radiator.

 

3/24/2016 7:43 AM  #13


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit

The Fox mustang thermostat housing has a place setup for a 3/8"NPT fitting. The outlet is a 90 degree housing instead of the 66 45 degree fitting, but it is working just fine on my 66 with the factory hose. 

You can put the sensor just about anywhere, but you have to think through the cooling cycle of the engine. The further back from the thermostat you go, the lower your temperature threshold will need to be. If you are measuring water coming out of the bottom of the radiator, you will need a different temperature threshold than if you read it just before or after the thermostat. Neither is wrong so long as you think through what you are trying to do.

I am not trying to fight my thermostat, so I have a 190 degree thermostat and I turn on the fan at 210 and back off at 195. It stays off at cruising speeds but runs most of the time when in traffic. It also runs full time if the AC compressor is running. You don't need crazy controllers, just a simple two relay circuit.

BobN 

 

3/24/2016 8:28 AM  #14


Re: Need alternate location for temperature sending unit


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