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5/21/2016 4:17 PM  #1


Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Running a Summit 600 cfm carburetor on my 1965 289 with a T-5. When I come to a quick stop the engine wants to die or if I pump the gas it will go back to curb idle..
This is what I have learned and tried so far:
Reset the fuel bowl levels no change.
Set curb idle higher and lower no help.
Choke works and opens fully after warm up.
Idle set a 800 rpm.
Motor will not die when slowly coming to a stop.
Motor will not die when running down the road and pushing in the clutch.
I can be coming to a stop with the clutch in and the motor idles to 800 rpm but hit the brakes harder and it wants to die.
Motor restarts fairly quick.
Motor runs and idles smooth.
Motor has a crisp off idle throttle.
Engine has no problem starting.

I can't figure this out but is dang annoying!
Any help appreciated

 


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5/21/2016 4:30 PM  #2


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Do you have power brakes?
Have you tried changing the distributor timing?


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5/21/2016 4:41 PM  #3


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Idle screws may not be set correctly...start by turning them in all the way then out 11/2 turns or bad power valve,if idle screws are turned all the way in and engine doesn't die power valve is bad...jj

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5/22/2016 6:59 AM  #4


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

What's the fuel level in the tank. In your opinion are you braking hard enough to cause the fuel to expose the pickup tube in the tank. 

 

5/22/2016 11:19 AM  #5


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Really sounds like the carb is dumping fuel (probably the secondaries) when you hit the brakes.
Best
Al


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5/22/2016 12:13 PM  #6


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

The Summit troubleshooting guide for that carb suggests strongly that stalling on deceleration is usually caused by a vacuum leak somewhere, not necessarily in or on the carb. Manifold to head, manifold to carb/spacer, spacer to carb, vacuum lines to carb, distributor, power brakes. I personally have had trouble with universal carb gaskets not sealing properly.

 

5/22/2016 4:04 PM  #7


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Ok I turned in the idle screws and it died so I guess the power valve is good. I heard that I could spray water around the intake to check for vacuum leaks will that work? How would I check the secondaries for dumping fuel?


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5/22/2016 5:24 PM  #8


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Here is what I would try.
Remove air cleaner
I am unfamiliar with your carb but think it resembles the Holley.  If you can externally adjust float level,  lower the float level a small amount.  Drive the car a couple of blocks, using the secondaries a time or two, then test the stop problem.  If no change, try one more minor float adjustment and repeat the driving.  If no noticeable improvement, then there is something else causing the issue.


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5/22/2016 5:32 PM  #9


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Ok I'm going to try this as soon as I can and try to check for vacuum leaks, I don't see or hear anything as of now but I never suspected the distributor


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5/22/2016 6:07 PM  #10


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Closing the idle circuit screws without killing the idle would indicate an air leak somewhere, and you indicated you tried this and the engine died.  Not likely there would be an air leak.  I would look at other possibilities first.
Al


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5/23/2016 4:49 PM  #11


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Well I adjusted the secondary float level down and the same thing happens. I do have power brakes, would the booster be causing this?


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5/23/2016 7:14 PM  #12


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

With the engine running in neutral, depressing the brake pedal should change the engine rpm if your booster diaphram is leaking.   That could possibly be the issue.
Al


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5/24/2016 7:20 PM  #13


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Tried slamming the brake pedal down while car was idling, it didn't change a thing, the rpm's stayed exactly the same. So I guess I can eliminate the booster and a vacuum leak if the engine dies when turning in the idle screw. The car has been totally rewired and I am running an MSD Digital 6A, I found no anomalies with any of the wiring. Could this be trash in the carb from fuel sitting over the winter too long?


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5/24/2016 7:43 PM  #14


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Wouldn't hurt to clean carb(shadetree style!)
With engine warm and air cleaner off...
Rev engine up with one hand and clamp the other hand over top of carb
While holding carb linkage open.....let engine just about choke down with hand over carb
Then remove hand  and let engine "catch up" some... clamp hand over top again and ALMOST choke down again.
Continue holding linkage open each time.
The theory is.....the huge vacuum  being pulled through the carb will(hopefully) dis-lodge any small piece of trash that may be  clogging something.
Works...sometimes
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5/24/2016 8:06 PM  #15


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Are you running a carb spacer?  I had a situation once where when the carb would get hot (normal driving conditions, not 100 degree days), if the fuel sloshed in the carb, it would flash/boil in the carb when the fuel hit the sides of the bowls.   Wouldn't do it sitting still or when driving but with sudden stops, bumps,  or turns it would boil over through the vent tubes dumping gas into the carb and kill the engine.  It would re-start.  It was a combination at that time of really bad winter gas in Colorado (thanks EPA) and heat soak.  I ended up with a 1" spacer and a different air cleaner to stop trapping air around the carb.  With today's gas, it doesn't take much to get a boil over.  Also, I don't think you mentioned if you have vacuum advance and where you have it connected.  If you have it connected to manifold vacuum instead of ported vacuum you will end up closing up the butterflies for curb idle due to the added advance and this may be too far closed when decelerating.  With ported vacuum, the advance comes in with airflow at higher RPM's and there is little to no advance at idle.  Therefore, you can open the butterflies further and open the transition slot for better idle performance.

 

5/24/2016 9:56 PM  #16


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Try putting a short length of hose on the rear bowl vent, extend it as high as the air cleaner lid will allow, I think what is happening is under hard braking fuel is being forced up the vent and causes the engine to flood with raw fuel momentarily and die.


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5/24/2016 10:49 PM  #17


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

check some plugs immediately after it dies.  The original mustangs, with Autolight carbs had a similar problem.  That is why they used the 'dash pot' that would let the throttle down easy.

 

5/27/2016 1:11 PM  #18


Re: Need help! engine dies on quick deceleration

Ok solved the problem, started checking the rear float thing (thanks Li'l Hoss) I got the car to try to die as a friend stop next to me and I saw the rear of the carb was wet. I found out that the boosters were loose, I had to take off the top of the carb to tighten the screw but it's working great now.
Thanks for everyone's help
Keith


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