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Frequency of the noise... Almost same speed as a muffler drone, but not noisy, just noticeable. Best description is like a fan belt that is fluttering due to too long a distance between pulleys, but I know it is not the belts.
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Clutch in and vib goes away, your disconnecting the engine? Driveline is still turning and I would think there not the source of the vibration. Seems like pressure plate/flywheel- engine related. Maybe acc drive on front of engine. Or just a harmonics that sets in at that speed, like others have suggested some form of a damper.
Worked for a new car dealer and some customers would complain of a vib under certain conditions on a pickup, I would go in the lot and take a damper that they had on the suv that was based on the same chassis to get rid of the vib.
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I have had at least four different harmonic balancers on it through the years. Even if you match the revs to what they were when the engine was pushing the car, the vibration goes away when the clutch is pushed in. I just visited a transmission shop with an experienced owner. Next week we are going to put the car on his lift and run it with a tech in it so we can look under it while at speed.
I guess I could start removing parts until the vibe went away. At least I am fairly sure the car is not destroying itself while driving it. I used to visualize an axle bearing about to come apart.
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Sounds you have covered almost every thing.
IF you drive it up to 80/85(in 5) the vib goes away,right?! Do that and push clutch in.....let it coast...When it goes past 73/vibration speed it vibs and then disappears means its not engine,right?!
6s6
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I'm sure you've triple checked this how is the drive shaft angle?
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Steve, do you think the bell housing/input shaft is not center to center with the pilot bearing??..they make off set dowels to correct this to center...to check it you gotta pull the trans and use a dial indicator... if its off the clutch disc may be whipping causing the vibes....jj
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What RPM are you turning when it occurs? Do you notice the same vibration when you drive at steady speeds at the same RPM in other gears?
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I have used my Hero camera mounted under the car a few time to chase stuff like that. You learn a lot in a hurry.
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6sally6 wrote:
Sounds you have covered almost every thing.
IF you drive it up to 80/85(in 5) the vib goes away,right?! Do that and push clutch in.....let it coast...When it goes past 73/vibration speed it vibs and then disappears means its not engine,right?!
6s6
It does not go away.
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I was going to suggest, like DC mentioned, to use a Go Pro. Put it in the engine bay so that it's looking at the belt and then drive the car.
I don't know if you're running a V-belt or if it's serpentine (?). Either type can oscillate though, causing NVH.
The following shows a video of how bad this (serpentine) belt is flopping around on this engine.
I don't know if these OAD pulleys are available for V-belt alternator pulleys but, if it turned out that this is where the problem (or some of the problem) is coming from, you do have a 351W-based engine that could be swapped over to serpentine drive and an OAD pulley installed.
It would be worth checking into, to see exactly what's going on under the hood under regular driving conditions.
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I am going thru the same issues with my 70 FB, a harmonic vibration comes in at 72 mph, I haven't gone to the extent that MS has ..... Yet ! Just installed a different T5 but haven't road tested it yet, but I was getting the vibration without the driveshaft connected and running thru the gears, I had a slip yoke with twisted splines tapped onto the output shaft so it was slinging oil out. The vibration was slightly there in fourth and really bad in fifth.
Incidentally I talked to a transmission shop that they guy told me 3.70 gears are notorious for setting up a vibration, that will be my next step pending the transmission is to change to 3.89 gears to see if is correct.
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I have had these gears in the car and all felt same vibes.
3.0
3.89
3.70
3.50
3.70 again
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All the good ideas have been said and I know this is an obvious point, but in the long list of replaced items, have you tried a fluid damper? Or have you used the same damper in all 3 replaced engines?
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I have a fluidamper on my 351/427, my engine is fully balanced with the exception of the pressure plate, I can spin it to 5500 in neutral and it runs really smooth but have always had the harmonic vibration on the hiway which I think has been there since installing the T5.
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Sorry I missed the 4 replaced dampers letter in the thread.
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Ford, and likely other mfgs have used trans tail shaft weights to dampen vibration for many years. Maybe it's not just extra junk. It worked for DC. I would try one from a manual trans Mustang from a scrap yard.
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Why can't you gear the car so it runs at a lower RPM range where no vibration happens?.
With the engine you have in the car it surely has enough torque to utilise a lower numerical rear gear ratio.
My 331 has nowhere near the power that you have but with the 3.25 gears it spins at 1950 RPM at 70 MPH. In top gear I can ease in the throttle so as not to down shift at that speed to pass or maintain speed up steep grade roads.
Do you actually use 1st or 2nd with a 3.70 rear gears?
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Went back and added the damper to my t5 today.just drove it to town and definitely feels better.
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Rudi wrote:
Why can't you gear the car so it runs at a lower RPM range where no vibration happens?.
With the engine you have in the car it surely has enough torque to utilise a lower numerical rear gear ratio.
My 331 has nowhere near the power that you have but with the 3.25 gears it spins at 1950 RPM at 70 MPH. In top gear I can ease in the throttle so as not to down shift at that speed to pass or maintain speed up steep grade roads.
Do you actually use 1st or 2nd with a 3.70 rear gears?
Rudi-Tudi........you KNOW the answer I'm sure.
Of course he uses 1st&2nd gears.......they "take away your breath" as you row full throttle through both of them!!!
THAT'S WHY its "gotta hefty gear" in it!
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Here's my two cents, I had a terrible drone in my car that I thought was a bad vibration come to find out the exhaust was mounted too ridge and would transmit this through the car. I put in a modern style exhaust rubber and it's like a whole different car
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Triton wrote:
Here's my two cents, I had a terrible drone in my car that I thought was a bad vibration come to find out the exhaust was mounted too ridge and would transmit this through the car. I put in a modern style exhaust rubber and it's like a whole different car
Those are the exact same exhaust hangers I have in my car. Three different exhaust systems. Same vibration at same speed.
Plus, have used several different gear ratios, 3.0, 3.25, 3.5, 3.7, 3.89 and had same vibration at same speed. Anything over 72 mph.
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Has the bell housing been changed?
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He's had the vibration with a C4 also. So, yes.
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Maybe a bearing is going out on the clutch pedal ! 😳
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The damper I used came off a 2001 T5. My 87 T5 came with one like AL posted but I couldn't find it .I had a 2001 in the junk yard and it was a lot more compact. Moved it back about a 1/2 inch and bolted it on .Cleared everything.
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