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6/09/2016 8:54 AM  #1


FiTech EFI review

Hey Guys,

Finished the 600hp FItech EFI about a month ago.   My son did a video for me and is working on the editing for me so I can post it.   Out of the box it worked really well.  The cold starts were great along with my warm starts.  I've had a Carter Carburetor.  Cold starts were horrible.   Had the Holley Avenger.   The warm starts were bad sometimes and but the cold starts were great.  The Demon Street Carburetor.  Cold starts were Bad and warm starts were ok.  Had a Stumble that I never could work out.   Now all starts are great.  It runs very well.   I had a few minor adjustments I did on the hand held unit.  When I hit the throttle and let off it didn't drop down as quickly as it should.  I had the carburetor smell when first started.  I increase the AFR to 14.5 and that's helped on that.   Larry/Grabber Blue on the MS site helped me out quite a bit with any questions I had.   We installed ours about the same time but he was ahead of me so it was nice receiving feedback from him.    The old 302 doesn't seem so old any more.   Previously when I would attempt a burn out the car would break the tires but it seemed like it was a struggle and I got more bark than bite.    I stepped on it last night and the car just sat there and smoked the tires.  Its never done that before.   For guys like me that don't know how tune a carburetor and change jets this is the ticket for a great running engine.   On the hand held you can make the changes you want.   I haven't had to change much of anything.   I ordered the Fuel Command Center with the 600 HP unit.   With the Summit 10% auto show discount and Fitech $100 mail in rebate everything was around $1100.   If your on the fence on buying the unit from what I've experienced I say go for it.   The only downside is Fitech is selling so many units there a 4 to 5 week back order and there having a hard time keeping up with the demand.   I haven't had to call customer service because most of my questions were answered on forums and Larry/Grabber Blue.   We'll see how the summer goes and if I feel the same at the end of the cruising season.  So far so good!   Ill post my son's video when I receive it.   

 

6/09/2016 10:36 AM  #2


Re: FiTech EFI review

Thanks for the info.    It is very timely.

My '66 is in the final stages of installation.  I can't do my own work any more, so, it is in the shop.  I keep close tabs on the mechanic and he really knows his stuff.  So I have no qualms about the work.    The car is running fine and he is doing the fine tuning right now.  This afternoon will be my first test drive.  I can't wait.

There are no problems at this time.  The work is going smoothly.  But, he did have to run a vent line back to the gas tank filler pipe from the Command Center.  I'll get more info today.  The other thing is FiTech.  It took around two months for me to get my order.  I bought directly through FiTech.  They kept putting me off because they were sending all their units to Jegs and Summit.  Then, when they did ship, they sent me two sets, one to the mechanic and one to me!  I've tried to contact them a couple of times to return it, and they have not responded.  So, I am keeping it until I get my car back before trying to contact FiTech again.  There is comfort in having spares right at hand.

All of us doing the FiTech thing should keep in contact on the Forum.  They are a new company and still have some operational issues to smooth out.  I think their success is running faster than their management can develop.

Last edited by lowercasesteve (6/09/2016 10:38 AM)


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

6/09/2016 11:22 AM  #3


Re: FiTech EFI review

lowercasesteve wrote:

Thanks for the info.    It is very timely.

My '66 is in the final stages of installation.  I can't do my own work any more, so, it is in the shop.  I keep close tabs on the mechanic and he really knows his stuff.  So I have no qualms about the work.    The car is running fine and he is doing the fine tuning right now.  This afternoon will be my first test drive.  I can't wait.

There are no problems at this time.  The work is going smoothly.  But, he did have to run a vent line back to the gas tank filler pipe from the Command Center.  I'll get more info today.  The other thing is FiTech.  It took around two months for me to get my order.  I bought directly through FiTech.  They kept putting me off because they were sending all their units to Jegs and Summit.  Then, when they did ship, they sent me two sets, one to the mechanic and one to me!  I've tried to contact them a couple of times to return it, and they have not responded.  So, I am keeping it until I get my car back before trying to contact FiTech again.  There is comfort in having spares right at hand.

All of us doing the FiTech thing should keep in contact on the Forum.  They are a new company and still have some operational issues to smooth out.  I think their success is running faster than their management can develop.

  Im kind of glad I went through Summit.   Like you said they were trying to fill there orders first.   I think mine took about 3 weeks from Summit.   The most time consuming thing was running the return line and installing the command center and making EFI line connectors.  The rest was quick and easy.   Let us know what you think after a drive.   It really woke my engine up!   Steve69
 

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6/09/2016 4:12 PM  #4


Re: FiTech EFI review

Steve,
I thought the command center didn't require a return line to the rear tank or are you talking about the vent tube?
 

 

6/09/2016 4:21 PM  #5


Re: FiTech EFI review

HenryJ wrote:

Steve,
I thought the command center didn't require a return line to the rear tank or are you talking about the vent tube?
 

I thought that too and have to find out.  I forget why he did it.  I go for my test drive on Saturday and will get back to you.
 


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

6/09/2016 6:39 PM  #6


Re: FiTech EFI review

The vent line back to the tank (filler neck) is a must if you value your car.  The Command Center has a needle&seat/float just like a carb.  If it sticks it will pump fuel out of that vent line and needs a safe place to go.

On a carb if the needle&seat stick it floods down the venturi's and it will stall out. The command Center will keep leaking out the vent line and you'll most likely not notice a change in the running.  If you vent it under the car you could be going down the road with a ball of flames trailing.  Imagine fuel spraying on the hot exhaust...hope you have fire insurance.

I have noticed after a run if I pop open the fuel cap and look down the filler tube it will spit some fuel out the vent line.  Ethanol fuel and underhood temps rise after a run and the fuel boils, not much you can do about it

Larry

 

6/09/2016 7:03 PM  #7


Re: FiTech EFI review

Grabber Blu wrote:

The vent line back to the tank (filler neck) is a must if you value your car.  The Command Center has a needle&seat/float just like a carb.  If it sticks it will pump fuel out of that vent line and needs a safe place to go.

On a carb if the needle&seat stick it floods down the venturi's and it will stall out. The command Center will keep leaking out the vent line and you'll most likely not notice a change in the running.  If you vent it under the car you could be going down the road with a ball of flames trailing.  Imagine fuel spraying on the hot exhaust...hope you have fire insurance.

I have noticed after a run if I pop open the fuel cap and look down the filler tube it will spit some fuel out the vent line.  Ethanol fuel and underhood temps rise after a run and the fuel boils, not much you can do about it

Larry

Thanks.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

6/09/2016 8:26 PM  #8


Re: FiTech EFI review

I ran 1/4 rubber hose for the Venting from the command center to the fuel tank filler neck.

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6/10/2016 9:23 AM  #9


Re: FiTech EFI review

I'm curious - what does it look like with the air cleaner on? And are you using timing control on it?

I have the Powerjection III system on my car right now but the FiTech is looking pretty attractive because of its timing control and AC idle control - and I can sell my old EFI unit for approximately the same price as the new FITech unit! I've just been trying to find people who are using these two features to find out how they work.


"Calamity Jane" - Insane road warrior powered by hopes and dreams and piloted by an idiot.
 

6/10/2016 10:09 AM  #10


Re: FiTech EFI review

Kelly_H wrote:

I'm curious - what does it look like with the air cleaner on? And are you using timing control on it?

I have the Powerjection III system on my car right now but the FiTech is looking pretty attractive because of its timing control and AC idle control - and I can sell my old EFI unit for approximately the same price as the new FITech unit! I've just been trying to find people who are using these two features to find out how they work.

  I have my ford motorsport air cleaner on it.  I had to move the fitting a little bit on the front where the fuel comes in to make it fit.  I have the timing control option but I have a Mallory unilite and hyfire box and I didn't want to change that around.  You'd have to contact Fitech and they would specify what distributor you can use for timing control.  I know my 2 wire distributor  wouldn't work.   Im happy how it runs right now.  I don't know If I would change anything. 
 

Last edited by Steve69 (6/10/2016 10:10 AM)

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6/10/2016 12:03 PM  #11


Re: FiTech EFI review

Kelly_H wrote:

I'm curious - what does it look like with the air cleaner on? And are you using timing control on it?

I have the Powerjection III system on my car right now but the FiTech is looking pretty attractive because of its timing control and AC idle control - and I can sell my old EFI unit for approximately the same price as the new FITech unit! I've just been trying to find people who are using these two features to find out how they work.

Fits under stock air cleaner and a/c idle is not available on the 400HP or 600HP you have to step up to 600HP power adder $1195

I'm using a stock Duraspark dist with advanced locked, no vacuum advance, I just replaced the plug with an MSD 2 wire plug.  According to FiTech owner if you have a good ignition system that works well and that your satisfied with using timing control will not be any better.

Larry
 

 

6/10/2016 7:03 PM  #12


Re: FiTech EFI review

Thanks for the up date on this...
Could you include a picture of the 1/4"  hose plugged in to the filler neck?

 

6/10/2016 7:34 PM  #13


Re: FiTech EFI review

baker32r wrote:

Thanks for the up date on this...
Could you include a picture of the 1/4"  hose plugged in to the filler neck?

 

 

6/13/2016 6:39 PM  #14


Re: FiTech EFI review

Thx...

 

6/14/2016 9:59 AM  #15


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I just ordered a 600 hp unit, along with a tanks, inc. 22 gallon tank and pump.  I won't see it for 2 months so it may end up a winter project since winter can start here by October! Lol

 

7/16/2016 1:42 PM  #16


Re: FiTech EFI review

I just installed the FiTech #30004 Power adder unit on my 1966 Mustang, Tanks Inc in tank fuel pump, 351W, MSD 6AL, Pertronix Billet dist(mech advance only)
Upon initial basic setup (key on) I noticed that some of the setup numbers I entered and sent to the ECU were not the numbers I read back.As an example: I tried to change the FAN ON Temp to 180deg, presssed Send to ECU, pressed back, seleced FAN Setup again and the vallue was 179(sometimes the values are off more than 1). Same thing happens to FAN OFF Temp and Cubic Inches. Anybody else notice this?

I originally had it wired so that the ECU would control the timing,(ECU connected to distributor). The engine would not start. I rewired to let the MSD box control the timing (MSD box connected to distributor) and the engine started. But, it would only run for less than a second before it died. After many attempts I finially adjusted the idle screw in and the engine started and ran, idled poorly but idled.

This morning the engine would not start. I adjusted the idle screw in some more and the engine starts and idles around 1400rpm for a couple seconds tries to go up to 1600rpm and dies. I tried just about everything and cannot get anything to resolve this. Anybody else experience this?


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

7/16/2016 3:05 PM  #17


Re: FiTech EFI review

After you send to ECU you need to turn off the key for 30 sec.  You must do this for each change.

Do you have 58 psi to TB,  vacuum leak?  Vacuum cap off unused ports?

 

7/16/2016 3:21 PM  #18


Re: FiTech EFI review

Grabber Blu wrote:

After you send to ECU you need to turn off the key for 30 sec.  You must do this for each change.

Do you have 58 psi to TB,  vacuum leak?  Vacuum cap off unused ports?

Yes, I did turn the key off for 5 minutes and the same result. But from what I read that key turn off to store is only to have that data stored in non voltile ram so if you loose power those values are saved. Everything should be saved in ram as long as there is 12v.

Don't have a fuel gauge to test for fuel pressure, I will check that when I get gauge.

Only used PCV port. All others factory plugs on vacuum ports. While looking I did notice another screw on the passenger side of the TB. Looks like it has the same function as the one on the right side. Looks like they would both control idle?
 


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

7/16/2016 3:42 PM  #19


Re: FiTech EFI review

The back screw is used for idle and to sync the front and rear.  If you move the rear screw too much you will introduce slop in the linkage.

Was told by Fitech to power down after each change

Larry

 

7/16/2016 4:18 PM  #20


Re: FiTech EFI review

Grabber Blu wrote:

The back screw is used for idle and to sync the front and rear.  If you move the rear screw too much you will introduce slop in the linkage.

Was told by Fitech to power down after each change

Larry

So, the values you've sent to the ECU for FAN OFF Temp, FAN ON Temp and cubic inches is the same value that you currently see in the initial setup display?


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

7/16/2016 5:26 PM  #21


Re: FiTech EFI review

Whats the point, they do change by a small amount.  I'm trying to help you out, obviously that's not your problem why your system doesn't run.

I have my system for 4 months running timing control  and have tweaked and adjusted and it's running fine.

Larry

 

7/16/2016 5:52 PM  #22


Re: FiTech EFI review

Grabber Blu wrote:

Whats the point, they do change by a small amount.  I'm trying to help you out, obviously that's not your problem why your system doesn't run.

I have my system for 4 months running timing control  and have tweaked and adjusted and it's running fine.

Larry

What I'm trying to determine is if my unit is defective. I'm thinking, if it can't store my values something is messed up with it. The reason I asked about storing the data was to determine if they're all like that. 

It ran for about 20 minutes in the garage yesterday roughly idling between 800-1000rpm, i could rev it up to 5000rpm without any issues. This morning it would not start. I turned in the drivers side screw until it started. It was idling around 2200rpm and would not go below that rpm. I turned out the screw to get it to get the idle down. It will run for a couple seconds at 1400rpm and it tries to ramp up to 1600rpm and dies. That's where I am at. Yesterday not bad, today not good.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

7/16/2016 6:09 PM  #23


Re: FiTech EFI review

Do you have a 6AL MSD box?

 

7/16/2016 6:16 PM  #24


Re: FiTech EFI review

Grabber Blu wrote:

Do you have a 6AL MSD box?

Yes sir. Tanks Inc in tank fuel pump, 351W, MSD 6AL, Pertronix Billet dist(mech advance only)


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

7/16/2016 6:27 PM  #25


Re: FiTech EFI review

Have rev limiter verification enabled.  If you do every time you turn the key on FiTech thinks the engine is running and dumps a ton of fuel in response to the RPM


http://documents.msdperformance.com/6425_add.pdf

Last edited by Grabber Blu (7/16/2016 6:27 PM)

 

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