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I have a 1969 Mustang with original rear end (8” small bearings) that I am putting a GT2008-RMS kit on. Everything mocked up well before pressing the bearings (didn’t use the centering rings for this). After install, I noticed that my rotor's wobbled.
I believe the problem is the rotors were not sitting flush against the axle flange. I noticed that when I removed the centering rings the rotors did fit flush against the axle flange and the wobble problem disappeared, but now there is nothing to keep the rotors centered.
When I pressed on the centering rings they were a very tight fit and I don’t believe I got them all the way flush with the axle flange.
The rotor center hole is tapered on both sides (deeper in the back) with a “shelf” between the two tapered openings. The centering rings are not tapered. The centering rings also do not fit all the way into the rotor (meaning they won’t pass all the way through the center of the rotor). I checked to make sure the centering rings will sit flush (when inserted from the back of the rotor per instructions) into the 2009 GT rotors I purchased, and they do.
With that being said, I have the following questions:
-Are the centering rings supposed to be tapered?
-Are the centering rings supposed to fit really tight on the axle hub?
-Did I not press the centering rings on far enough (not flush with the axle flange)?
-Has anyone else experienced this problem?
Thanks all,
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Normally, the rings go onto the axle stub, then the rotor is bolted on and will barely engage the ID of the rotor. If you are not careful you can get the rotor off center. The centering ring will center the rotor unless it has been installed crooked and gotten stretched in the process.
A way to get the ring into the rotor better is to install an o-ring on the stub prior to the ring.
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I am nowhere as close as you are on my build but did notice that they were not fitting perfect so I used my dremel and a sanding disc to trim them a bit. I would imagine the tolerances between manufactures may be an issue. I also had painted the hats on my rotors that may have skewed the fit.
Last edited by 70 Coupe (5/04/2017 8:46 PM)
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I just went to the garage and bolted one up that I thought I had ready and here is the result. wobbly. I tried to post a video but it did not work. Is there a way to post videos on the forum?
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video is not to scale but was the only way I could figure out to send it.
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MS wrote:
Normally, the rings go onto the axle stub, then the rotor is bolted on and will barely engage the ID of the rotor. If you are not careful you can get the rotor off center. The centering ring will center the rotor unless it has been installed crooked and gotten stretched in the process.
A way to get the ring into the rotor better is to install an o-ring on the stub prior to the ring.
Ok, so you are saying to put an "O" ring on the stub, then the centering ring, then the rotor. Then simply work the rotor slowly and evenly until everything is flush with the axle flange and square. But I am concerned that if I do add an "O" ring, the rotor will not be able to sit flush against the axle flange. And because I can't see where the rotor and the axle flange make contact, I will have no idea it they will be flush against each other.
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I am going to look into trimming my rings and make them work. Not saying anything bad about Steves parts but we are working with 50 year old parts and trying to mate them with newer technology so some fitment issues are bound to rise.
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70 Coupe wrote:
I am going to look into trimming my rings and make them work. Not saying anything bad about Steves parts but we are working with 50 year old parts and trying to mate them with newer technology so some fitment issues are bound to rise.
Thanks for all your impute 70 Coupe!
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When I put the centering rings on a 1963 Galaxie rear, it also had the tapered axle flanges. I beveled my centering rings with a dremel, and then tack welded them to the flange. It made for a much tighter fit. Just a process of trial and error to get the to fit better.
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We are looking at having the centering rings made thicker. Tried to avoid issues with tapered axle studs, etc and wanted to be darn sure the rings did not extend out past the rotor, which could cause some wheels to not seat properly.
There should be updated, slightly thicker rings in the near future.
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I found my issue! the ft. hubs are larger diameter than the machined cut out on the back of the rotor,so they are not sitting on the machined surface of the hub, so I guess I am grinding the outer edge of the hubs down a bit.
Last edited by 70 Coupe (5/05/2017 5:21 PM)
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I am thinking since I have to remove the hubs to install the brackets I may as well chuck these up on the brake lathe at work and cut them down to fit vs grinding them. I know this was a post for the rear axles but I do not have mine to that point so I was using what I could for comparison.
Last edited by 70 Coupe (5/05/2017 5:43 PM)
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70 Coupe wrote:
I am thinking since I have to remove the hubs to install the brackets I may as well chuck these up on the brake lathe at work and cut them down to fit vs grinding them.
I would agree with that.
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That grinding is covered in the instructions as a requirement, so should not really come as a surprise. I find it easier to simply grond a 45 degree chamfer on the OD of the hub so it fits inside the rotor, but using a lathe is a better way, no doubt. Do not reduce the OD of the hub, just put a chamfer on it so you do not reduce the amount of material around the knurled studs.
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MS wrote:
That grinding is covered in the instructions as a requirement, so should not really come as a surprise. I find it easier to simply grond a 45 degree chamfer on the OD of the hub so it fits inside the rotor, but using a lathe is a better way, no doubt. Do not reduce the OD of the hub, just put a chamfer on it so you do not reduce the amount of material around the knurled studs.
No where in the instructions for the FT2008-RMS, that I can find, state anything about grinding at all. However, thanks to the forum, some friends, and a little common sense/mechanical aptitude, everything worked out. My wobble was indeed the centering rings.
My solution: I beveled the inside of the centering ring nearest to the wheel hub, polished the inside of the centering ring, and just ever so slightly rounded the outside edge of the centering ring furthest from the hob. This got rid of my wobble and everything looks good. Just going to paint them up and use a small amount of RTV on the back of the rings (again closest to the wheel hub) to hold them in place.
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MS wrote:
That grinding is covered in the instructions as a requirement
Since when do us guys read instructions!
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After the whole not reading the instructions and then doing it correctly I have a true running rotor. No pads installed yet but getting it all mocked up.
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70 Coupe, looks good!
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No grinding or mods are required on the rear brake kits. Only on the front hubs. Putting a radius on the outer Oad of the ring kind of defeats the whole purpose of it being able to center the rotor. The big chamfer on the rotor ID makes it so there is only a small amount of the centering ring that interfaces with the rotor ID.
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