Yet another picture for my collection..  sorry, but that is NOT a classic Mustang. Where the hell is this hobby headed?

I liked it. Hoonicorn has his four wheel monster as well. 

To each his own.  I hope that car was built from something mundane and basically worthless, but in the end its his car and he can do what he wants with it I suppose.

There's nothing wrong with 4 cylinder missiles, so long as they have AWD...

I think Offenhauser had input into those too.  I seem to recall reading about the Offy/Meyer/Drake turbo 4s that made like 1,000 HP. 

It would look like that new four cylinder turbo Mustang that was in the show today.  like half the engine was missing!

Torqu-er, huh?!
Does the Offy have long stroke/rods?
Always wondered why...../how...these little 4 bangers made so much power and HOW they stayed together at 8/9 grand??!
6s6

6sally6 wrote:

Torqu-er, huh?!
Does the Offy have long stroke/rods?
Always wondered why...../how...these little 4 bangers made so much power and HOW they stayed together at 8/9 grand??!
6s6

 
How? It was designed as a racing engine with none of the compromises required by the big 3 bean counters. Long term development; they raced the "Offys" at Indy from the early '20s to the late 60's. The rotating assemblies were balanced to spin them tight: 10,00-12,000 rpm. Lots of turbo boost, up to 30 psig. By their last days at Indy, they were making 3.5-4.0 HP/ cubic inch. Just think about it, the 57 Chebby fuelie motor made 1.0 HP/cu.in and the motoring press hailed it as a milestone event. The "Offy" was making 1.0 HP/cu.in normally aspirated in the 20's.

Bullet Bob,
Harry Miller put one of his engines in an open wheel lakes car in the early 20's and did 151 at Muroc. 151 in the 20's! Not bad for an engine designed as a boat motor.

Not really.  My '02 WRX made 227HP stock at 2.0 liters, which is 122 cubic inches, or 1.86HP/cubic inch.  With a few mild bolt ons (K&N, turbo back exhaust, bigger intercooler, tuning, catless up pipe) it easily made 300HP with the stock turbo, which is 2.46 HP/cubic inch.  That's an engine without variable valve timing, variable length intake runners, etc.  So to me, making 300HP stock on a turbo 4 should be no problem in 2017, especially when you have a V8 NA engine that's achieving over 100% VE at certain points in its power range.

What you'll find with the old stuff is that a lot was discovered in the first 20 years of the automobile that was then lost and rediscovered often several times from then until now.  Those guys in the '20s knew a lot more than you'd think; it just didn't translate into most roadgoing cars.  There were always expensive oddballs like the Duesenbergs, etc. that had some cutting edge tech if you could afford it.  The technology just wasn't as pervasive then as it is now where every car for example has disc brakes, airbags, etc.  Back then there wasn't a big emphasis on safety and efficiency, and there were literally no Federal standards for anything, so there was little to drive it.  The guys who were racing were always figuring out how to make engines faster, cars handle better, etc.  What's really impressive is what they were able to do with the metallurgy of the day, because piston speed is typically limited by rod material and they didn't have the exotic stuff back then like chromoly, let alone titanium, etc.  I can only posit that those Offy/Meyer/Drakes had really short stroke length and likely massive rods to spin that kind of RPM without failure.  Getting a turbo to work with a carb is pretty impressive too.  Smokey Yunick tried it on his destroked SBC at Indy in the '60s and never could get it quite right.  That was a 208 or 209 cubic inch engine making 1,000HP when it was dialed in right, but he had a hell of a time keeping it in calibration and eventually shelved it. 

red351 wrote:

I guess you southern boys never found your beer frozen solid. That's all that look was about......

Yessir Red..........that would be a big fat never!!
Soooooooooooooooooooo whata you do with it??! thaw it out?...let it melt?....make a "slushie"?...put it on a stick and........well never mind

You da man Red!!!!