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6/24/2017 7:59 AM  #1


9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

Quick question I'm sure someone here can answer: Is there any practical difference between the small and large axle bearings on the Ford 9"?  I'm talking about strength that actually matters here.  All Mustangs were small bearing, and I don't ever remember seeing any discussion about failed axle bearings anywhere, so I presume that Ford did this more to standardize 9" production across models than for any benefit in strength (for a fairly light car anyway, obviously trucks that haul always benefit from strength).  I don't ever plan to make absurd power with the car.  At some point I'll get my 347 in it, but that's a 425HP engine at most.  I likewise will certainly run the car at the track on occasion, but its not a purpose built race car and most of its miles will always be street driving.  Maybe at some point I'll put some sticky tires on it to see what it'll do in the 1/4 with actual traction, but it's not going to be a habit I don't think. 

The reason I ask is that I'm planning to swap my 8" for a 9" at some point for a variety of reasons.  If I got to the large bearings is there a fitment issue with my stock drum brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade the brakes just yet, and I'm trying to soften the hit of buying a complete rear by not also having to buy brakes (I'm not spending $0.01 on drum brakes, so if I swap I'm going Cobra and that means the fronts too, and the master, etc, etc., etc.).

 

6/24/2017 9:54 AM  #2


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

I don't think the brake mechanism is different, but the bolt pattern on the backing plate to the axle flange should be different between the two bearing sizes.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

6/24/2017 11:33 AM  #3


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

The axle bearing size isn't determined by the cubic inch size or horsepower of the engine. It's determined by the GVW of the vehicle.

Small axle bearing backing plates won't bolt up to a large bearing pattern axle housing end flange and vise-versa.

 

6/24/2017 2:55 PM  #4


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

So there's no downside to the small bearings in a light application like a Mustang?

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6/24/2017 4:16 PM  #5


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

TKOPerformance wrote:

So there's no downside to the small bearings in a light application like a Mustang?

Even 428 SCJ, Boss 429 and the 429 SCJ in the heavier '71 Mustangs all had small axle bearings in the rear ends. Again, it's a function of gross vehicle weight and not the amount of horsepower produced by the engine that the axle bearing size is based on.

It doesn't really matter which way you go --small or large axle bearing, you'll never have enough weighted load on the Mustang that the small axle bearing won't be able to handle it. If this was a truck or a full-sized Ford passenger car, that potential would be different.
 

 

6/24/2017 4:18 PM  #6


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

My 63 Galaxie 4 door hardtop 9" rear has small bearings.  I believe most early Ford passengers did.  It seemed to live under that.  When I rebuilt it, they were in good shape.  Not sure if they were original or not, but I think a good case could be made in a this reguard, it doesn't matter.  


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
 

6/24/2017 6:18 PM  #7


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

Around 1967, the Galaxie was a much heavier car than previous Galaxies. Many of these later Galaxies were running a Ford 9-3/8" rear end (very close cousin of the Ford 9-inch but not the same as).  These rear ends utilized large axle bearings.

The 9-3/8" Ford rear ends were also optionally available in the Ford F100 half ton trucks from 1968-1972. This rear end came with two different 31-spline axle versions: a 3300# axle and a 3600# axle. The 3300# axle would have been installed in a 9-3/8" rear end with an open (single track) differential. The large axle bearings on this 3300# 31-spline axle measured 3-9/64 O.D. x 1-17/32 I.D. This was a ball bearing configuration.

The '68-'72 F100 9-3/8" 3600# 31-spline axle would have been installed in a 9-3/8" rear end with a Traction-Lok differential. The  bearings for this axle measured 3-9/64 O.D. x 1-5/8" I.D. This was a roller bearing configuration.

I have a pair of '71 F100 9-3/8" 3300# 31-spline axles in the stock 9-inch rear end housing under my '69 F100 Ranger, that replaced the stock 28-spline axles/single track 9-inch differential. I installed these 31-spline axles to be able to install a factory Daytona 9-inch N-case 3rd member I have that has a 4-pinion, 31-spline, Traction-Lok differential with 3.50 gears.

 

6/25/2017 6:31 AM  #8


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

So the 9-3/8" gears fit in the standard 9" case? 

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6/25/2017 9:12 AM  #9


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

A 9-inch 3rd member will fit in a 9-3/8" rear end housing but, a 9-3/8" 3rd member won't fit in a 9-inch housing ....well, at least not without notching the flange for ring gear clearance where the 3rd member mates up to the housing.

The 9-3/8" rear end really isn't a very desirable rear end --other than in the case of the truck versions to get the 31-spline axles from to install in a '68-'72 Ford F100 9-inch rear end housing. Gear-wise, ratio choices are very limited with the 9-3/8" and there's no Ford or aftermarket support for new gears to install in them.

 

6/26/2017 5:02 AM  #10


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

Interesting.  Just my curiosity more than anything.  I'd never heard of the 9-3/8" until you mentioned it.  The lack of support is not surprising.  The entire aftermarket is built on the 9", for which you can buy anything you could ever want.  An additional 3/8" in ring gear diameter adds a small measure of strength, and using only stock parts the 31 spline axles add strength as well, but with aftermarket gears, differentials, and axles you can built a 9" far stronger. 

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6/26/2017 10:23 AM  #11


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

A Ford 9-3/8" rear end is easily identifiable by the 3rd member. It will have two widely spaced vertical ribs and a top rib that curves downward on the left side.

This 9-3/8" 3rd member is from a Ford full-sized passenger car, as denoted by the cast-in 'hood' sticking out over the companion flange. The truck 3rd members do not have the 'hood'.



....Daytona N-case 31-spline Traction-Lok 3rd member I installed in the '69 F100 9-inch rear end under my truck with a pair of '71 F100 9-3/8" 31-spline axles.


 

6/26/2017 3:20 PM  #12


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

Nice!  Thanks for the pics!  I'll be somewhere there's someone trying to pass a 9-3/8" 3rd member off as a 9" and some unsuspecting and trusting guy who's going to get stuck with it.  Thanks to those pics it won't be me

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6/26/2017 3:36 PM  #13


Re: 9" bearing size: does it make a difference?

Back to the 9" bearing size, my experience with a 9" rears, one from a 58 Wagon (big bearing) and a 59 passenger car (small bearing), both were 28-spline axles however, the big bearing axles were much bigger then the small bearing.  Brake backing plates are not interchangeable due to the bearing OD size differences and the backing plate to rear end bolts sizes are different, 3/8" vs. 1/2".
I bought a 9" rear assembly from a 69 428 Cobra Jet Ranchero and it had small bearings.
My Father's 61 4-door Galaxie had the big bearings (292 V8, 3-speed w/OD & Posi).
Not sure any of the above is helpful to you, but if I would go w/the big bearing only because the axles are also bigger and no matter what HP and traction you have, you shouldn't have any breakage issues.
I'll also note that if you go with disc brakes on the rear only the caliper mounting bracket is different, in order to accommodate the different bearing sizes and bolts. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

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