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7/03/2017 8:03 PM  #1


Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

Hello,
I've installed a Bear Tracker bump steer kit on my 1967 mustang.
The car is using 1968 Cougar spindles and is manual steering.
The tapered stud that fits into the steering arms does not bottom out against the machined surface like the original tie rod end used to.
On one side, there's about 1/8" of a gap and on the other, there's about a 1/16th" of an inch gap.

The studs are both bottomed out in the tapered bore so I'm at a loss.
The original tie rod ends don't have a flat surface that you'd expect to have fully pressed against steering arms so I have no frame of reference other than it looks wrong.
Any thoughts?

As far as I can tell, a 68 cougar and a 67 mustang use the same tie rod ends so the bore is the same.

Help 

Geoff H.

 

7/03/2017 8:07 PM  #2


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

short of posting a picture, the stud is tapered on one end, has a hex headed spot for a wrench in the middle then continues on with an area for spacers then you connect it to the centre link.

Here's a link to the product:
http://baer.com/1967-1969-Mustang-Trackers-adjustable/
 

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7/03/2017 8:32 PM  #3


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

If your spindles are 68 Cougar or Mustang spindles, they use the same tor rods as any 67-69 Mustang.  It sounds like your bump steer studs might be for the smaller 65-66 spindles?  Or your spindle's tapered tie rod holes are worn out from someone not keeping the tie rods tight. I have scrapped several spindles that had worn out tie rod holes. I am not sure how they got that way, but Previous Owner Syndrome certainly can take on many different forms.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/04/2017 7:33 AM  #4


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

Thanks but I don't think that's the issue as my studs aren't going deep enough into the tapered hole.
If they were for the smaller hole, they'd slide right in without any friction.
Same principle if the hole was worn out.
It looks to me as if the hole isn't big enough.

The tie rod ends that were just removed were seated pretty deeply in there.
Perhaps I should look at the casting number on the spindle to be sure that the cougar that I'd taken them from hadn't been a victim of POS at some point.
Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants, 65/66 stang spindles on a 68 cougar that had been resting in someone's back yard for 10 years.  I personally removed the spindles from that cougar in 1987 so the mix up didn't happen under my watch

GH

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7/04/2017 9:16 AM  #5


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

As long as the taper of the stud fits snug in the spindle, there is no reason for concern as to how much of the tapered stud sticks out below the spindle.

If your spindles are the disc-brake-specific type found on 68 and later Mustangs, they are definitely not 65-66 style.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/04/2017 12:15 PM  #6


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

Thanks for the input.
I will chock this up to me being overly cautious where steering and brakes are concerned.
For some reason, I'm quite fond of being able to steer and stop.
Irrational, I know....

GH

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7/04/2017 4:39 PM  #7


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

This is how mine fits. As long as you've got enough threads on top you're good.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

7/05/2017 8:01 AM  #8


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

That's exactly how mine look!
I assume you've been running them like that for a while so relax and go concentrate on something that actually needs fixing.

Thanks for the picture.

Geoff H.

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7/05/2017 2:08 PM  #9


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

It amazes me those little spherical rod ends don't wear rapidly with no grease and no boots to keep dirt out.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/05/2017 3:19 PM  #10


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

I don't think you'll be amazed Steve as guys have reported only getting 10-15k miles out of them. Yikes! Several different types of rod end boots are available to keep dirt out. Due to its odd size of 5/8x11/6-18, I couldn't locate a quality rod end.




Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

7/05/2017 6:10 PM  #11


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

My strut rods have rubber boots on the heim joints up front. They started making noise after about a year.
Race parts just don't survive very well on the street.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/05/2017 8:24 PM  #12


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

The only rod ends I have had last on the street are the high cost aircraft ones with the woven teflon bearings in them and you never oil or grease them. NMB was the brand I used with good success. Chrome moly bodies with high chrome balls and woven teflon races. I have never had one wear out only failed when I took down 8 guard rail posts at Mid-Ohio in an MG Midget.

 

7/06/2017 3:49 PM  #13


Re: Bear Tracker bump steer kit issue

DC wrote:

I took down 8 guard rail posts at Mid-Ohio in an MG Midget.

Ouch! That had to hurt. I've owned and totaled a Midget, didn't know they had the ability to do that much damage

With a nudge from this thread I decided to replace the cheap 5/8" bore 11/16" thread rod ends with QA1's XMr10-12 which still has the 5/8 bore but with 3/4" threads. On the lathe I made an adjuster sleeve from 1-1/8" 6061 hex bar, cut 11/16 LH threads on one end and 3/4-16 rh threads on other. Odd balled size rod end  problem solved. I'm pretty much sold on the Endura series from QA1 which are chromoly and have a Nylon/PTFE injection molded race. We shall see.


 


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

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