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10/18/2017 3:00 PM  #1


Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I am in the middle of modifying my center console and had a thought. I have a manual parking brake set up on the center console and thought about modifying it to an Electric/Electronic P-Brake. I know many newer cars/trucks have this. I thinks it would be a pretty kewl mod. Anyone try this? This would allow me to add 2 cup holders. Any thoughts?

Last edited by Chelby-Ann (10/25/2017 11:39 AM)

 

10/18/2017 4:03 PM  #2


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I have been thinking of setting up transverse, floating linear actuator somewhere in the rear that would operate the parking brakes.  Just been thinking so I'll be following your progress.

BB


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

10/18/2017 6:25 PM  #3


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I like the idea.

 

10/18/2017 6:31 PM  #4


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

Pretty sure the new cars that use electronic e-brakes use a setup similar to trailer brakes.  The big thing to consider is what happens in the event of some kind of electrical failure?  Switching with ground has become de rigueur, but in the even that wire gets chaffed and grounds the brakes come on, yikes! 

 

10/18/2017 6:32 PM  #5


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I'm very interested in this and will be watching your progress. I have never had a very good e brake on my 66. I'm changing from drums to 13" discs on the rear so this would be a good time to try it.


"anyone that stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty"Henry Ford
 

10/18/2017 7:26 PM  #6


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I had a family member that had a newer Cadillac that had the electronic parking brake fail after parking in her daughters driveway and as the car rolled back the open door knocked her down and the vehicle rolled over her and she died from internal injuries. Not sure of all the details but just stating what details I know. technology is great but do we really need all the cool stuff offered.

 

10/18/2017 7:33 PM  #7


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

Cars that park themselves, stop themselves, drive themselves!!!!!!! I own a classic because I love the looks and love to drive. I do like some modern amenities but I still want to drive my vehicle and be in control.
 

 

10/18/2017 8:15 PM  #8


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I wouldn't worry about electrical problems because none of the automakers do. I have had a couple of battery deaths on newer vehicles that taught me to always carry a spare remote battery and the emergency key. So as long as you have those I am sure you can figure out how to release the emergency brake with the wire cutters on your key chain.

 

10/19/2017 6:27 AM  #9


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I have this mod scheduled on my return to the frozen tundra of the north. The aftermarket offerings are very pricey , almost $5oo.  For 60 bucks I got a small linear actuator that has a 135 pound pull for the job.
 More details at a later date.


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10/19/2017 7:18 AM  #10


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

Rudi wrote:

I have this mod scheduled on my return to the frozen tundra of the north. The aftermarket offerings are very pricey , almost $5oo.  For 60 bucks I got a small linear actuator that has a 135 pound pull for the job.
 More details at a later date.

Thanks Rudi...that was my plan also.  I'll be watching.

BB
 


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10/19/2017 7:47 AM  #11


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

Here is the actuator I have for this mod. it was on sale at the time for 59 bucks. I plan to mount it under the floor to actuate the arm that pulls the e-brake cables. Details, dimensions and such to be determined when i start the project.
 When I did the EPAS mod the O/E e-brake handle had to me moved and I don't like its location, ergo the electric e-brake mod.
https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/12v-dc-4-in-stroke-135-lb-linear-actuator/A-p8489064e
 


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

10/19/2017 9:50 AM  #12


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

My problem is the amount of pull required by the Explorer type parking brakes.  I even lengthened the crossover lever to get more leverage...no joy.  So I'm thinking of mounting an actuator transverse at the rear somewhere and having each end pull on the right/left cables. 

Just thinking at this time.  I do plan to swap the rear brakes to Mustang type this winter and that may solve the problem.

BB


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

10/19/2017 10:18 AM  #13


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

DC wrote:

I wouldn't worry about electrical problems because none of the automakers do. I have had a couple of battery deaths on newer vehicles that taught me to always carry a spare remote battery and the emergency key. So as long as you have those I am sure you can figure out how to release the emergency brake with the wire cutters on your key chain.

Last August I rented a Suburban for a family trip.  Good grief, electric and automatic everything. A couple times I made the mistake of changing lanes w/o signaling. If you do that the steering actually resists your turn AND the bottom seat cushion vibrates as an alert.  It thinks you are dozing and drifting. I don’t need my butt tickled and I don’t need the steering to physically keep me from doing what I intend it to do.  On a more useful note, my ‘05 Explorer actually alerted me to a low tire BEFORE I felt or saw it myself.  The system has been correct one out of the last 5 or 6 times it has gone off to warn me. The rest were bad sensors that needed replacing.


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10/19/2017 11:24 AM  #14


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

DC wrote:

I wouldn't worry about electrical problems because none of the automakers do. I have had a couple of battery deaths on newer vehicles that taught me to always carry a spare remote battery and the emergency key. So as long as you have those I am sure you can figure out how to release the emergency brake with the wire cutters on your key chain.

Its another way they make cars and trucks throw aways.  The electrical stuff last long enough to get out of warranty and then about year 10-15 starts to fail.  Few guys are any good at diagnosing it, and it changes so fast that by the time you have one model figured out there's a new one with different problems.  So eventually you can't get through inspection because the SES light's on, and then the vehicle is junk.  The thing I don't understand is that money is made from selling parts; not cars.  You'd think they'd be smart enough to sell vehicles that could be kept on the road indefinitely so long as you just keep buying parts every year.
 

 

10/19/2017 12:39 PM  #15


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

We talked about using a linear actuator for the E brakes in April, 2015. I liked the idea so much I bought a 225 lb. actuator on eBay. Since I don't do anything quickly, I have had time to work on the design for installation and I have decided not to install the linear actuator. The reason being that there does not seem to be a reasonably priced way to make sure the E brakes continue to work when your car battery goes dead. I am sticking with cables and a mechanical ratchet. I may change my 66 to a console mount handle someday.

Last edited by Hornman (10/19/2017 12:40 PM)

 

10/19/2017 4:00 PM  #16


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I have nothing against the electronic actuator.  Maybe set it up so you need power to RELEASE the brakes?  Nah, maybe that is not a good idea either.

I have cobra rear discs on my 66 with the stock pull handle under the dash.  It will hold the car on steep hills with no problem, so I see no reason to add complexity on my old car. (at least, no more complexity than I have already added)


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10/19/2017 9:31 PM  #17


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

TKOPerformance wrote:

DC wrote:

I wouldn't worry about electrical problems because none of the automakers do. I have had a couple of battery deaths on newer vehicles that taught me to always carry a spare remote battery and the emergency key. So as long as you have those I am sure you can figure out how to release the emergency brake with the wire cutters on your key chain.

Its another way they make cars and trucks throw aways.  The electrical stuff last long enough to get out of warranty and then about year 10-15 starts to fail.  Few guys are any good at diagnosing it, and it changes so fast that by the time you have one model figured out there's a new one with different problems.  So eventually you can't get through inspection because the SES light's on, and then the vehicle is junk.  The thing I don't understand is that money is made from selling parts; not cars.  You'd think they'd be smart enough to sell vehicles that could be kept on the road indefinitely so long as you just keep buying parts every year.
 

NEVER HAPPEN!!........Don't believe me??.....Count all the different sizes of oil filters and air filters!! Each has ONE purpose "to FILTER"!! Does every car maker REALLY need a different size filter.
Nothing is standardized. They make it as hard as possible to maintain your own car.
They ain't gonna let-us-off to just buy repair parts and keep the same car!!!
Make too much sense
6s6
 


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10/20/2017 6:02 AM  #18


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I wonder Mike, Ford just opened a new division called "Omniparts" perhaps to go into competition with AC Delco. They will sell parts for all cars, even Chevy.

http://www.omnicraftautoparts.com/?b...1549|323451236


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

10/20/2017 10:26 AM  #19


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

6sally6 wrote:

NEVER HAPPEN!!........Don't believe me??.....Count all the different sizes of oil filters and air filters!! Each has ONE purpose "to FILTER"!! Does every car maker REALLY need a different size filter.
Nothing is standardized. They make it as hard as possible to maintain your own car.
They ain't gonna let-us-off to just buy repair parts and keep the same car!!!
Make too much sense
6s6
 

Good point Mike. This has to be my number 1 pet peeve in the auto industry.

Last edited by rpm (10/20/2017 10:27 AM)


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10/20/2017 7:08 PM  #20


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

MS wrote:

I have nothing against the electronic actuator.  Maybe set it up so you need power to RELEASE the brakes?  Nah, maybe that is not a good idea either.

I have cobra rear discs on my 66 with the stock pull handle under the dash.  It will hold the car on steep hills with no problem, so I see no reason to add complexity on my old car. (at least, no more complexity than I have already added)

Did you do anything to increase the leverage that the equalizer exerts on the cables?
 


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10/21/2017 3:50 AM  #21


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

6sally6 wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

DC wrote:

I wouldn't worry about electrical problems because none of the automakers do. I have had a couple of battery deaths on newer vehicles that taught me to always carry a spare remote battery and the emergency key. So as long as you have those I am sure you can figure out how to release the emergency brake with the wire cutters on your key chain.

Its another way they make cars and trucks throw aways.  The electrical stuff last long enough to get out of warranty and then about year 10-15 starts to fail.  Few guys are any good at diagnosing it, and it changes so fast that by the time you have one model figured out there's a new one with different problems.  So eventually you can't get through inspection because the SES light's on, and then the vehicle is junk.  The thing I don't understand is that money is made from selling parts; not cars.  You'd think they'd be smart enough to sell vehicles that could be kept on the road indefinitely so long as you just keep buying parts every year.
 

NEVER HAPPEN!!........Don't believe me??.....Count all the different sizes of oil filters and air filters!! Each has ONE purpose "to FILTER"!! Does every car maker REALLY need a different size filter.
Nothing is standardized. They make it as hard as possible to maintain your own car.
They ain't gonna let-us-off to just buy repair parts and keep the same car!!!
Make too much sense
6s6
 

Makers like Mercedes, BMW, and Volvo used to build cars like that.  Look at how many of those cars from the '80s and '90s are still on the road.  The only reason they ever died was that once the value of the car hits a nadir the cost to have them professionally maintained is out of the ballpark for people that want to own them.  The parts still exist, and often aren't as expensive as you'd think, but if you had to pay for labor at $150/hr. that's where the money lies.  I've seen several examples with gas engines go 250k miles or more, and Diesels can top a million miles.  I also don't know exactly what they did for rust protection, but these cars seem to never rust, even being driven in winter on salty roads and not washed right afterward.  There was definitely a time where these marques were worth the money.  Today, ironically, they have some of the highest incidence of repair under factory warranty.  The Germans and Swedes got greedy and started building cars cheaper (that Mercedes/Chrysler fiasco I'm sure didn't help either).  Then there's all the damn technology crammed into them that require a degree in electrical engineering to understand, let alone troubleshoot.  As the saying goes the excrement has made contact with the rotary wind generator. 
 

 

10/21/2017 7:11 AM  #22


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

It is interesting that  the Korean Hyundai has the lowest average repair cost of all vehicles in 2016. In 2015 they were the most reliable.


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10/21/2017 7:28 AM  #23


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

I have them on my newest vehicle and was curious to see whether they'd work to stop the vehicle if the primary brakes went out.  They did but they did not sound happy about doing it and there was no way to modulate them to get to a smooth stop - they were either on or off.  Worse, getting them to turn off once they were on was difficult.  Just offering this as another input to your decision.


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10/21/2017 7:52 AM  #24


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

John Ha wrote:

I have them on my newest vehicle and was curious to see whether they'd work to stop the vehicle if the primary brakes went out.  They did but they did not sound happy about doing it and there was no way to modulate them to get to a smooth stop - they were either on or off.  Worse, getting them to turn off once they were on was difficult.  Just offering this as another input to your decision.

My 2016 Edge has the electric e-brake. I don't believe that it was meant to stop a vehicle that is moving.It only works when the car is stopped and it disengages when the ignition is turned on.

 As for putting one on a classic, if the battery is dead, you have more pressing issues than turning off the electric e-brake.

 If all else fails -- common sense rules.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

10/21/2017 9:16 AM  #25


Re: Electric/Electronic Emergency Brake

Rudi wrote:

My 2016 Edge has the electric e-brake. I don't believe that it was meant to stop a vehicle that is moving.It only works when the car is stopped and it disengages when the ignition is turned on..

No disrespect intended to anyone but the OP stated specifically "Emergency brake", not "Parking brake".  The "old" "emergency brake" was a backup to the primary brakes if the primary brake failed for some reason. 

When I was learning to drive (this was, admittedly, not too long after Noah emptied the ark after the great flood) I learned that if you pushed on the brake pedal and nothing happened, you were to turn off the ignition and use the emergency brake to bring the car to a safe stop. 

Maybe that's completely outdated now that everything is so reliable - I don't know.  On a classic Mustang, it's not clear to me (and this is my opinion, not a criticism) that changing the emergency brake to an electric unit is something you'd really want to do. I suppose that all things considered, there are so many things that can fail and bring the car to a stop that it's really a rhetorical question anyway.

In the end it is your car, your decision is the only one that matters and you should do as you please with it. 


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