FYI FORD - MustangSteve's Ford Mustang Forum
The Internet's Most Knowledgeable Classic Mustang Information
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CLASSIC FORD MUSTANGS, YOU HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE!
MustangSteve has over 30 years of Mustang experience, having owned 30 of them and restored several others. With the help of other Mustangers, this site is dedicated to helping anyone wanting to restore or modify their Mustang.... THERE ARE NO DUMB QUESTIONS!!!!!
Visit MustangSteve's web site to view some of my work and find details for:
FYIFORD Contributors' PICTURES - Power Brake Retrofit Kits for 65-66 Stangs - Classic Mustang FAQ's by MustangSteve - How to wire in a Duraspark Ignition - Mustang Ride Height Pictures and Descriptions - Steel Bushings to fit Granada Spindles to Mustang Tie Rods - Visit my EBAY store MustangSteve Performance - How to Install Granada Disc Brakes MustangSteve's Disc Brake Swap Page - FYIFORD Acronyms for guide to all the acronyms used on this page - FYIFORD Important information and upcoming events

You are not logged in. Would you like to login or register?

2/14/2018 11:57 AM  #1


bought a new drill press and just wow.

so my old table top drill press gave up, and I bought a Ryobi 103L from home depot.  Big mistake.  It has so much runout it is unuseable.   I put a dial indicator on it today, it has  .009 at the tip of the chuck  You can actually see it wobble when you turn it on.   A quick google search this seems to be a common problem with it.  Home Depot says its my problem since it was bought in Sept.   Shipping charges to Ryobl make it not worth exploring those options.   Pretty much junk.    

Anyone know of a good reasonable cost effective table top drill press?   


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
 

2/14/2018 1:50 PM  #2


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

have you looked at the ones at Lowes?  I have three pieces of shop equipment from them and am very happy


If it isn't broken...modify it anyway! http://www.DazeCars.com https://galaxieforum.boardhost.com
 

2/14/2018 3:21 PM  #3


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Greg B looks like from the pictures in the manual for that thing the chuck could be a taper mount. If so you may want to knock the chuck off and check the spindle of the drill press for trueness. It may be that it is all in the chuck. It probably mounts to the spindle with a Jacobs taper. A new better chuck may fix it. I just replaced the chuck on mine with one off of ebay for about 20 bucks and it works well.

Last edited by DC (2/14/2018 3:22 PM)

 

2/14/2018 4:22 PM  #4


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Depot should take it back even though you purchased the unit a while back. The cashier should be able to what's called an RTM. I would be really surprised if they won't take it back. When I use to work for Depot a store in Texas returned a set of four worn out tires because the customer swore they purchased them there.

 

2/14/2018 4:23 PM  #5


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Home Depot sells quite a few different table top drill presses on line.

 

2/14/2018 4:32 PM  #6


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I agree with DC about pulling the chuck and checking the spindle itself for runout. A new chuck from toolpartsdirect.com is $9.26.

Also, you might want to inspect the inside of the chuck for a mounting screw to the spindle. A loose mounting screw could cause the problems you are seeing.

 

2/14/2018 4:52 PM  #7


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I gave away a Ryobi press to replace it with a mill drill that I bought used. It was about 3 times the price of a new Ryobi (in Oz), but sooo much better.


"Those telephone poles were like a picket fence"
 

2/14/2018 7:13 PM  #8


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

DC wrote:

Greg B looks like from the pictures in the manual for that thing the chuck could be a taper mount. If so you may want to knock the chuck off and check the spindle of the drill press for trueness. It may be that it is all in the chuck. It probably mounts to the spindle with a Jacobs taper. A new better chuck may fix it. I just replaced the chuck on mine with one off of ebay for about 20 bucks and it works well.

Yes, it has a JT33 taper.   I did a little research and no chucks are made in the USA any longer.  Replacement Jacobs brand chucks are through the roof.  The general consensus of a couple of different websites says the next best reasonable thing is a Brand called South Bend.    I ordered a JT 33 1/2" chuck from them, and paid with paypal, and they canceled the order.  I called to ask WTF, they said I had to reorder it with a CC.   Anyways, I looked around for another source, couldnt find one, then reordered it from them.  
 


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
     Thread Starter
 

2/15/2018 7:46 AM  #9


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I'd check Craigslist for something used.  My drill press is one my neighbor gave me 15 years ago.  Its some brand that doesn't exist anymore and I use an ill fitting universal chuck on it I bought at Harbor Freight(I think).  Its been good enough for everything I've needed it to do, including finishing up a couple 80% AR-15 lower receivers using templates which allow me to use an endmill in it.  It took a bit of practice, but the last couple I did look like they were made by Colt using million dollar equipment. 

In general I'm finding that tools today, by and large are like everything else: throwaway.  Nothing's made the way it used to be when everything was machined or cast from metal.  Nowadays everything is plastic and just doesn't hold up.  When possible with stuff like this I buy older equipment that still has a lot of life left in it for a fraction of buying new junk. 

 

2/15/2018 8:11 AM  #10


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I wouldn’t buy anything Royobi. I bought a drill press from Grizzly tools. Very happy with it and been happy with many of their products.


I'm not a complete idiot.....pieces are missing. Tom
 

2/15/2018 8:38 AM  #11


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Gotta agree.  In the Contracting world we refer to Ryobi as a "homeowner special".  Light duty tools not meant for serious use. 

 

2/15/2018 10:08 AM  #12


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I have a machine shop and I have never used a better chuck than a Jacobs.  Hands down they are the best.  There may be a better one out there, perhaps German or Swiss, but I would assume you'd have to pay triple the price of a Jacobs.  I agree with what the guys said: check the run out on the spindle.  It could be that its a combo of runout from both.


Owner of MustangSteve - 1967 Mustang Coupe 302, 2005 Mustang GT
 

2/15/2018 10:35 AM  #13


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I inherited a couple of Albrecht keyless chucks and they are, IMO, the hands-down finest.  Yes, they are German and they are VERRRRRRRRY pricey.  But man, do they work well.  Jacobs was always the US made standard and a very fine product but I don't know about the current crop.  As for Royobi, well, I needed a cordless drill to run the stabilizer jacks on our travel trailer and HD had a deal on the Royobi drill and impact driver.  I can't kill either and have zero complaints.  Normally I would have stepped up to DeWalt or Makita or Milwaukee but decided to give 'em a try.  I have since purchased a Royobi 40V cordless leaf blower, string trimmer (my Cub 4-stroke gave up) and hedge trimmer.  All are performing perfectly and seem to me to be a good buy for average home-owner applications even though I probably work everything a bit harder than "average".

Just sayin'

BB


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

2/15/2018 11:15 AM  #14


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Just figure it is part of the hobby, kind of like buying an old Mustang or Galaxie.  You never plan on keeping the old cars stock, so why not modify that drill press yourself to make it better.  I think the previous posts about installing a better chuck are very wise!

When we buy tools that are inexpensive and more of the hobbyist related variety, they are not going to function like the "real stuff" that typically is 10X the price of what is paid. 

An old MustangSteve saying goes something like this:
"Buying a cheap tool only increases the ultimate purchase price of a good tool by what you paid for the cheap one."


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

2/15/2018 12:45 PM  #15


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

BB, let me borrow that Ryobi set for a week.  I guarantee it'll be toast by Friday.  Run 3" screws with the impact driver all day, or bore 4" holes through 2x lumber with the drill.  Guaranteed bye, bye.  A couple tough tasks aren't going to kill them.  You could buy a $20 set from HF that would last the same doing the same stuff.  What kills the stuff is 8 hours straight using it at its limit.  That's where the good stuff lasts and the cheap stuff fails. 

I will say that I gave up on Makita cordless stuff about 5 years ago.  Once they went to the 3 speed transmissions they just couldn't hold up.  They'd always blow 3rd gear.  Then in the lower gears you'd eventually overheat the motor and fry it trying to really use it.  I bought a Milwaukee combo set back then that I still have and still use every day.  Even that setup I had to rebuild the drill and impact driver motors once each and put two chucks on the drill.  The DeWalt stuff is really good now.  Their batteries used to be junk, but they got that sorted out once they got away from Nmh batteries.

DeWalt also now has cordless chop saws and table saws.  their new batteries are wired such that they can provide long life at low amp draw or short life at high amp draw.  Pretty amazing technology.

Anyway, off topic, but some info from a guy who counts on tools every day to make a living.  The cheap stuff has its place; its just not a construction site.  But, for the average user why pay the premium? 

 

2/15/2018 1:50 PM  #16


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Speaking of Grizzly, that is where I ordered the replacement chuck.   No one could figure out why they cancelled the paypal transaction, but after redoing the order with a CC, (same cc LOL)  anyways, they wasted no time in shipping that puppy to me.   That is less than 24 hour turnover.  I know they are only across the state from me, but that is smokin!
  




That is a big meaty chuck.  I am going to figure out a way to remove the old chuck as I dont have any wedges, then I will put the dial indicator on the spindle and see what that is.   Then to make these spindle and chuck stick good they have to be SUPER CLEAN.    Im going to mess with it right now.  See if I wasted more money on a chuck or not.  PS>  Do NOT ask your wife for to go buy a floor model drill press on valentines day.  It does not end well.  

Also have to mention,  I have several other Ryobi tools, and they have been just fine.  I have a couple of Ryobi cordless 18v  and the keyless chucks on them, dont seem to have any severe runout.   The Ryobi weedeater I had lasted for years, I guess maybe they slapped their name on one too many things.   This is the first Ryobi product Ive bought that at least hasnt been useful.  

Last edited by Greg B (2/15/2018 1:53 PM)


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
     Thread Starter
 

2/15/2018 3:02 PM  #17


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Already got it done.   Not really much joy.   Knocked the old chuck off with a light tap of a ball joint pickle fork (can we say the heck with the bearings)  but it worked.    .002 runout on the taper.  and the new chuck is .006.   It is visibly better, but  wish it were.  






Sorry the pictures arent the greatest      Think I will hit up craigslist   What are the chance of finding a good ole American drill press with a   Jacobs 33 taper?  


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
     Thread Starter
 

2/15/2018 4:18 PM  #18


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Out of curiosity, what was your old tabletop drill press? Also, what failed on it?


1968 T-code Coupe with a 302.  Nice car, no show stopper for sure, but I like it.
 

2/15/2018 4:18 PM  #19


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I've used MSC direct through work to replace a morse taper drill chuck. They might have what you are looking for. https://www.mscdirect.com/ They do list the country of origin on there stuff.

 

2/15/2018 6:47 PM  #20


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Here is my next move since I am a glutton for punishment.   I ordered a replacement shaft from tool parts direct, I was going to go ahead and get new bearings too, but they were backordered.  So, I did the translations, and the Ryobi bearings are used in Rigid too.  BUT it is a very common bearing used in hundreds of things from roller skates to who knows what, so I translated the part numbers and got a set of SKF bearings coming.    This is it.   How to hipo a cheap drill press.   LOL


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
     Thread Starter
 

2/15/2018 9:15 PM  #21


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I go an older Delta floor model from craiglist about 10 years ago and that's what I suggest you do.  I also fitted it with a better chuck.  Very happy with it.  Even though it had the typical pulley system on the top for varying the speed, it was still too fast for drilling through metal.   I think the biggest mistake people make when drilling metal is using too high of a speed.  IMO if you're having to add cutting fluid to keep the bit cool and you're not creating metal curls when drilling, the drilling speed is too fast.  I fitted it with a speed reduction kit from Rogue Fabrication, which works very well.  Now I can go all the way down to about 100 rpm, which works very well for large diameter bits.


Cheap, Fast, Good:  Pick Any Two
 

2/16/2018 6:51 AM  #22


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Yep, you can buy a variable speed controller that plugs in between the drill press and the outlet.  My press uses the belt system too.  Seems to work just fine though.  I've never messed with the speed.  A little cutting fluid and I get nice long curls of whatever I'm drilling. 

 

2/16/2018 10:29 AM  #23


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Be careful when selecting speed reducers, some of the cheap ones reduce the motors torque.
 I have had a "Jet" floor model drill press for over 55 years and has served me very well.
 For larger holes I have a milling machine that can take 1 1/2" drill or boring for anything larger than that.
 Mill/drills are reasonably priced these days and for being made somewhere in Asia are not that bad. When I got mine I had to remove the table and scrape in the ways to correct an issue. At the time I also put in a one shot oiling system.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

2/16/2018 12:07 PM  #24


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

Rudi wrote:

Be careful when selecting speed reducers, some of the cheap ones reduce the motors torque.
 I have had a "Jet" floor model drill press for over 55 years and has served me very well.
 For larger holes I have a milling machine that can take 1 1/2" drill or boring for anything larger than that.
 Mill/drills are reasonably priced these days and for being made somewhere in Asia are not that bad. When I got mine I had to remove the table and scrape in the ways to correct an issue. At the time I also put in a one shot oiling system.

My speed reduction kit is not electronic - it's based on pulleys:  https://www.roguefab.com/product/drill-press-reduction-kit-41-ratio-12-belts/
Simple and absolutely dependable.
 


Cheap, Fast, Good:  Pick Any Two
 

2/16/2018 2:05 PM  #25


Re: bought a new drill press and just wow.

I personally think the problem is a defective bearing.  I took the belt off completely, it just has a weird feel to the spin.   I could have went up to Fastenal and got a couple of bearings for like a 1.50 each, but I decided to spend a lil extra and ordered some SKF bearings.  I did also order another shaft, since it was only 8 bucks as well.   Im hoping this effort makes it fairly useable.

Im going to start searching craigslist all the time for a good Rockwell/Delta or such floor drill press, the way I constantly monitor for Galaxie, Mustang, and Ford parts.   Maybe I will save up and try to find a bench top south bend drill mill.  those pop up on craigslist from time to time too.   


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
     Thread Starter
 

Board footera


REMEMBER!!! When posting a question about your Mustang or other Ford on this forum, BE SURE to tell us what it is, what year, engine, etc so we have enough information to go on.