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2/24/2018 2:26 PM  #1


EFI

Since building the motor I have been Fascinated with EFI. I did not like the throttle body systems mainly reading of problems with dual plane manifolds. Me I am or was running Wiend stealth ,Long story short I ordered A Eldelbrock multi port Kit today. Let the fun begin. Also plan on installing A in tank Pump . Will post more as I progress along.   


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2/25/2018 12:10 PM  #2


Re: EFI

Port EFI always uses a single plane manifold.  With fuel being sprayed directly at the back on the intake valve, and the manifold only flowing air there's no benefit to a dual plane intake anymore.  Torque curve in an EFI system is primarily dictated by runner length, which is why factory intake often have very long runners. 

 

2/25/2018 3:33 PM  #3


Re: EFI

True this system includes the manifold , It should not sit as high as the stealth manifold, After talking with Holley about there sniper system and a dual plane they recommended a 1/2 inch spacer hood clearance would have been an issue. They also said that I could cut the center divider out. I would need to remove manifold to cut down the divider. So I went the Eldelbrock way , Its a complete system except for the pump , Now to figure if I can clean the tank well enough to get the fumes out , Do not want to get blown up been there done that not fun. 


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2/25/2018 3:55 PM  #4


Re: EFI

Edelbrock tens to make nice stuff.  I'm sure you'll be happy with it.

If you have to weld, cut, or grind on a fuel tank I would advise getting all the gas out, and then rinse it out with alcohol (straight ethanol would be best; its what they use at the refineries to flush lines (if you live in a state that will sell it grain alcohol like Everclear is 190 proof, or 95% pure ethanol)).  If you want to go one step further you can purge it with nitrogen gas.  Alcohol may catch fire, but it doesn't burn very hot and is easily extinguished. 

 

2/25/2018 7:52 PM  #5


Re: EFI

Thanks for the advise ,If it wasn't for being a newer tank I would by new . My plan is to drain it wash it out with solvent but alcohol sound ok , The follow that with Marine clean, May also purge with nitrogen still have my tanks and regulator from my HVAC days ,This is one job I am not looking forwards to.


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2/25/2018 8:38 PM  #6


Re: EFI

I don't know what that EB system requires butt (TS&T) I've been running a Walbro external pump for about 25K miles so far and it works just fine and is quiet.  I have an FS-130 fuel screen on the pickup tube of the stock sender (needed to make an adapter) and a standard Ford filter on the pump discharge.  I put a 90 degree fitting on the tank drain bung to accommodate the fuel return line.  I've read a lot of stuff about how noisy they are and how hot they will run externally but this Walbro does a fine job and even though I'm deaf as a post I know it's quiet as there are no screechy, whinny noises emanating from the passenger seat.  Just sayin', cheaper, simpler, no trunk floor issues, and works fine. 

You absolutely will need to run a vent line from the tank (mine is high on the filler neck) if this is a circulating system or the tank will start to resemble a beach ball...don't ax how I know this.  The stock gas cap will vent "in" just fine but it WILL NOT vent "out".

Good luck, keep us up to date.

BB 

Last edited by Bullet Bob (2/25/2018 8:43 PM)


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2/26/2018 10:18 AM  #7


Re: EFI

You could always buy a new tank for piece of mind.


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2/26/2018 11:24 AM  #8


Re: EFI

KM wrote:

Thanks for the advise ,If it wasn't for being a newer tank I would by new . My plan is to drain it wash it out with solvent but alcohol sound ok , The follow that with Marine clean, May also purge with nitrogen still have my tanks and regulator from my HVAC days ,This is one job I am not looking forwards to.

A new tank would be the safest approach.

Purging with nitrogen should be more than just a "may also" option. Its hard to get a BOOM from any leftover  fumes in the tank leaching from the metal if the nitrogen has turned it into an oxygen deficient atmosphere. Make sure you are in a well ventilated area too, so the purge doesn't turn the air you are breathing oxygen deficient and someone finds you unconscious in the floor.
 


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2/26/2018 4:06 PM  #9


Re: EFI

Back to the Drawing Board , After paying for the Eldelbrock system Through Summit racing ,Was informed a short time ago that system is no longer available, Must wait On refund , I did not wait to pay but that's the way the ball bounces , Will no longer deal with summit unless my left leg is falling off. Now searching for another system , Any suggestions.


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2/26/2018 4:22 PM  #10


Re: EFI

It depends on several things.  How much are you willing to spend vs. DIY?  Megaquirt is a great option, but you have to build and tune the system yourself.  There is considerable forum support though.

Ford EECIV using a fabricated intake is an option.

Beyond that I don't have much experience with the modern aftermarket EFI systems, so I'll defer the people who do. 

 

3/02/2018 4:27 AM  #11


Re: EFI

Another update, Spent more time researching looked at Holley systems including the sniper efi .I have read that some throttle body systems have problems running properly with a dual plane manifold . Talked with Holley they said either dual or single plane would work ok . Throttle body efi is still a wet flow like a carb so I am still not sure what to think about the manifold choice and EFI of the throttle body type. So looked at FI Tech system and ordered there go port system hopefully this one will get shipped. They supply  a manifold with this system I will need to add a Magnetic pick up distributor for timing control .As far as fuel system pump will be in tank will use return line ,Have looked at several pumps some require only drilling tank still not the best solution on a used tank but plan to clean tank with marine clean air dry and fill completely with water before cutting .     


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3/02/2018 8:27 AM  #12


Re: EFI

Throttle body injection is IMO junk.  In some instances its better than a carb (off roading for one), but its too much compromise.  The fuel hits the throttle blades and the flow is crap.  Its batch fire, so you're spraying fuel at cylinders that do not need fuel, so its inefficient.  About the best that can be said is its not a carb.

Sequential port EFI is where its at.  You made a good choice I think.

 

3/08/2018 6:26 PM  #13


Re: EFI

EFI update , Received Fi Tech Go port system today, All looks good intake is a offshore type but looks ok .Straight edge lays flat. will attempt to ad photo , Going with a in tank fi tech pump going to run most line in stainless steel, any advice on making 37 degree flares in stainless , Made a lot of 45 flares no experience with stainless.  I need to add a regulator , Any advise on intake gaskets ?    


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3/09/2018 5:43 AM  #14


Re: EFI

Spend the money to buy a god flare tool.  The typical parts store flare tools will break when trying to flare stainless because its too hard.  Check the manufacturer's recommendations.  If you don't see stainless steel listed move on.  Last I checked a good flare tool is going to be in the $250-$300 range I think, but you are going to need it especially with the size lines you will be using.

Speaking of which, you can use 5/16" line for supply and 1/4" for return.  A lot of guys have 3/8" stuck in their heads for performance applications, but that only applies to carbs.  Carbs operate at only a few psi of system pressure, so you need to make that up in volume, and thus need a larger line.  EFI operates at about 10 times the pressure of a carb, so there's plenty of movement of the fuel, and no need to upsize the lines.  The V8 Fox body cars had 5/16" supply lines, and they have been found to be fine until going beyond a 42 lbs/hr injector, which is huge (think giant blower or turbo to need that much fuel). 

 

3/09/2018 6:41 AM  #15


Re: EFI

Good point on flare tool ,I have made a lot of flares on copper refrigeration line but copper is softer and a45 degree flare, And that always was my point I made to new guys ,Always buy high quality tools makes your job much easier. Never really thought about 5/16 line another thought to ponder.  


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3/14/2018 5:41 PM  #16


Re: EFI

Update on conversion , Making some necessary improvement to wiring , The ECU on the Fitech system requires constant power on the main power in , This is so it can save data from the last run, I have removed the battery kill on the main harness battery is in back just to make room for other equipment Msd relays etc. Double checking all grounds and made a block that ties the grounds back to the battery ground cable runs front to back. Pump will be in tank I will not be using the pulse width modulation on the ECU, It is supposed to handle 15 amps , My load will be just a relay load .Also will be adding an inertia switch in relay wiring Added a painless auxiliary fuse block also. Sorry photo is upside down.   
 


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3/14/2018 6:54 PM  #17


Re: EFI

Lots going on there!  Where does the flux capacitor go?

 

3/14/2018 8:28 PM  #18


Re: EFI

KM wrote:

Update on conversion , Making some necessary improvement to wiring , The ECU on the Fitech system requires constant power on the main power in , This is so it can save data from the last run, I have removed the battery kill on the main harness battery is in back just to make room for other equipment Msd relays etc. Double checking all grounds and made a block that ties the grounds back to the battery ground cable runs front to back. Pump will be in tank I will not be using the pulse width modulation on the ECU, It is supposed to handle 15 amps , My load will be just a relay load .Also will be adding an inertia switch in relay wiring Added a painless auxiliary fuse block also. Sorry photo is upside down.   
 

 
Don HAD TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED with that wiring.


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3/15/2018 5:41 AM  #19


Re: EFI

Will give a explanation of what you see on the wiring photo, Four relays two control both cooling fans , Fi tech can control both each independently controlled, The other smaller relays are on the headlight circuit .The original harness only controls the relays .Head lights now power directly from battery, Brass bar ground point ties to battery you need a clean power system for efi. One painless fuse block, This is switch on voltage this controls the MSD 6 control side And the Fitech control side.And gives fuse protection for the relay control circuits . I have everything except the starter circuit fused or on a circuit breaker. The other option would be to go to a whole new harness system and I think no one builds for the 71-73s. the tach adapter runs the factory tach. The other bar allows for the heavy loads to tie in it has cover for it.  


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3/17/2018 12:30 PM  #20


Re: EFI

Not much of a update locked the MSD distributors centrifugal advance out , Seemed funny to tear a brand new distributor apart but it was not a hard job , Now need to make sure it put it at TDC on #1 back it up to 10 degree before and phase the distributor in .Working on route of fuel lines and installing a door in floor of trunk. Found door at tanks inc. And once it is all done the fi tech will control timing.


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3/17/2018 4:11 PM  #21


Re: EFI

Make sure its on TDC of the compression stroke.  I've made that mistake before, and fun as it is shooting a fireball out the top of the carb I'd rather not do it again.

 

3/20/2018 9:31 AM  #22


Re: EFI

Latest update , If you go with Fi Tech 351 w system And receive the same intake I did you will need to use ARP studs Bolts are too short, Also used Fel Pro 1250-s3 intake gasket


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3/20/2018 2:54 PM  #23


Re: EFI

Another photo , You all thought I had a lot of wires in one of my previous posts here are some more, The main Fi Tech Harness can not be Modified voids warranty , Secondary can be so this it what I have done to neaten it up. Everything so far has went together well other than the wire , Would have liked for the main harness wiring to be shorter.     

Last edited by KM (3/20/2018 2:57 PM)


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3/20/2018 8:50 PM  #24


Re: EFI

Bullet Bob wrote:

I don't know what that EB system requires butt (TS&T) I've been running a Walbro external pump for about 25K miles so far and it works just fine and is quiet.  I have an FS-130 fuel screen on the pickup tube of the stock sender (needed to make an adapter) and a standard Ford filter on the pump discharge.  I put a 90 degree fitting on the tank drain bung to accommodate the fuel return line.  I've read a lot of stuff about how noisy they are and how hot they will run externally but this Walbro does a fine job and even though I'm deaf as a post I know it's quiet as there are no screechy, whinny noises emanating from the passenger seat.  Just sayin', cheaper, simpler, no trunk floor issues, and works fine. 

You absolutely will need to run a vent line from the tank (mine is high on the filler neck) if this is a circulating system or the tank will start to resemble a beach ball...don't ax how I know this.  The stock gas cap will vent "in" just fine but it WILL NOT vent "out".

Good luck, keep us up to date.

BB 

I'm confused.  I thought a stock vented gas cap was made to relieve pressure out whenever the pressure reached 3psi due to heat build up in the tank.  I have my return line from the FiTech system into the fuel filler neck and the supply line out of the stock fuel sender line and haven't had any problem.  Am I missing something?  thanks  Jerry
 


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3/26/2018 5:56 PM  #25


Re: EFI

Today I installed the intank pump , I have been putting this off for some time because the tank had has gas in it. I previously had cleaned with degreaser  and it sat with fan blowing. Today filled tank with water and kept the water on and flowing out the top. One thing the water did is flush a lot of chips away. Wiped out inside with solvent and tack rag. The pump is a hyper fuel  . Found it was hard to slide on studs . Other than that was simple. .I will cut hole in trunk floor and install access door next. 


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