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3/29/2018 3:13 AM  #1


Coil location and heat

My engine is pretty much stock, right down to where the coil is located. I am happy with it there, but often wonder about the heat surrounding it. I know that electrics break down and fail when there is a lot of heat involved and wondered if there is anything I can do before I fit my new coil?
I would prefer to keep the coil in the same location, but wondered if I should fit some sort of a spacer or something?
Then again, maybe I am making a big deal out of nothing and the coil is fine in it's original location?
Any thoughts?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

3/29/2018 6:42 AM  #2


Re: Coil location and heat

If it's an oil filled coil it needs to be vertical.  You can usually id an oil filled coil by it having a screw down inside the high tension terminal

 

3/29/2018 7:01 AM  #3


Re: Coil location and heat

I installed a Pertonix II module and a Flamethrower coil 15 years ago, and I mounted the coil in the stock location (front of the Passenger Side cylinder head) and it's still going strong.
I would mount it in the stock location and not worry about it.

 

3/29/2018 7:44 AM  #4


Re: Coil location and heat

Grabber Blu wrote:

If it's an oil filled coil it needs to be vertical.  You can usually id an oil filled coil by it having a screw down inside the high tension terminal

It's the Pertronix III, so it is an oil filled type. Thanks!
 


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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3/29/2018 7:45 AM  #5


Re: Coil location and heat

Michael H. wrote:

I installed a Pertonix II module and a Flamethrower coil 15 years ago, and I mounted the coil in the stock location (front of the Passenger Side cylinder head) and it's still going strong.
I would mount it in the stock location and not worry about it.

This is great to hear! Thanks for sharing. I will stick with the original location then.
 


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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3/29/2018 9:22 AM  #6


Re: Coil location and heat

Steve helped me install the coil in the back , tucked away hidden on one of the long bolts of the intake manifold.  Everyone who has seen it says they are going to copy that idea .. LOL

I dont think there is an issue with the stock location at all..  I just have one less thing right in front of the engine bay, making it look tiny bit cleaner. I couldnt tell you if it heats less or more.

I have broken oil filled coils in both locations before.. ( bad coil / low voltage off battery / leaving the car in "ACC" for too long etc) ..


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3/29/2018 12:15 PM  #7


Re: Coil location and heat

I don't know Gaba... that sounds like a slippery slope toward moving to an engine with the distributor in the back

 

3/29/2018 1:05 PM  #8


Re: Coil location and heat

I'd take the trade off of the additional heat over the added length of the coil wire.  The Fox cars had the coil on the LH inner fender.  Seemed to work fine so long as you ran a decent coil and a good module in the TFI.  Otherwise once you started adding bolt ons you'd get spark scatter above 3,000RPM.  I have often wondered if part of that was caused by the crazy long coil wire.  The SN95 cars moved the coil back onto the engine.  Now everything is coil on plug.  Hmn...

 

3/29/2018 1:21 PM  #9


Re: Coil location and heat

Interesting.  Whenever I see those inner fender mounted coils I've often wondered if there were any issues due to the long coil wire.

 

3/29/2018 6:59 PM  #10


Re: Coil location and heat

Thanks guys! I am more convinced than ever to keep it as is.
My knowledge of electrics is limited, but I would think you would get voltage drop with a long coil wire?


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3/29/2018 7:26 PM  #11


Re: Coil location and heat

Michael H. wrote:

Interesting.  Whenever I see those inner fender mounted coils I've often wondered if there were any issues due to the long coil wire.

As you MAY know I have  all my wiring hidden in my engine compartment.....including the coil.
I installed it in the battery location along with MSD box and assorted relays.
The coil wire runs from the coil....down to the bottom of the old battery tray area....across under the waterpump area and up to the distrib.    I have a pretty long one by most measurements!!
I have to be careful  I don't  shoot past  my "pre-determined" redline of 55/57 hundred RPM redline by accident!(when acting like a teenager) soooooo it certainly hasn't hurt my ability to rev!
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3/29/2018 7:45 PM  #12


Re: Coil location and heat

Michael H. wrote:

I don't know Gaba... that sounds like a slippery slope toward moving to an engine with the distributor in the back

Lol!! No worries I am definately not going to the dark side anytime soon. With an all Ford fleet here :D

Last edited by Gaba (3/29/2018 7:45 PM)


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3/29/2018 8:52 PM  #13


Re: Coil location and heat

Most stock Ford coils (other than 289) were mounted horizontally on the intake manifold. Not sure where it has ever been stated a coil must be mounted vertically.  The stock 289 vertical location in front of the head works well because the fan provides good air flow to cool it.  Laying it down horizontally on the intake works well, also.


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3/30/2018 7:30 AM  #14


Re: Coil location and heat

http://documents.msdperformance.com/8202.pdf   Has to do with the windings may not be fully covered with oil and overheating

 

3/30/2018 7:35 AM  #15


Re: Coil location and heat

I always found it odd that they mounted coils horizontally knowing that they were oil filled.  I mean, you don't see power pole transformers mounted horizontally.  That's what a coil is after all, and both are oil filled.  I've never owned a vehicle where the coil was mounted horizontally, so I can't comment directly on whether or not it affects the longevity, but it certainly doesn't seem right.  Of course its fair to say would Ford have done it for so long if it had been a liability from a warranty standpoint?  Of course the counterpoint is that warranties were much shorter back when these cars were new than they are today.  Interesting either way I think. 

 

3/30/2018 8:36 AM  #16


Re: Coil location and heat

Not a stock coil but this is where I put my coil when cleaning up the engine bay, hidden quite well when the large oval air cleaner is mounted, picture of the 1/4 inch thick aluminum  bracket as well



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3/30/2018 10:05 AM  #17


Re: Coil location and heat

TKOPerformance wrote:

I always found it odd that they mounted coils horizontally knowing that they were oil filled.  I mean, you don't see power pole transformers mounted horizontally.  That's what a coil is after all, and both are oil filled.  I've never owned a vehicle where the coil was mounted horizontally, so I can't comment directly on whether or not it affects the longevity, but it certainly doesn't seem right.  Of course its fair to say would Ford have done it for so long if it had been a liability from a warranty standpoint?  Of course the counterpoint is that warranties were much shorter back when these cars were new than they are today.  Interesting either way I think. 

The OE Ford coils are not oil filled
 

 

3/30/2018 10:43 AM  #18


Re: Coil location and heat

I don't know about automotive coils, but I worked for 12 years at a manufacturer of distribution and substation transformers and I can tell you that they are not filled completely with oil... usually just enough to cover the windings of the core/coil assembly (which is usually near the top but lacking by a few inches).

Last edited by Michael H. (3/30/2018 10:43 AM)

 

3/30/2018 12:11 PM  #19


Re: Coil location and heat

Grabber Blu wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

I always found it odd that they mounted coils horizontally knowing that they were oil filled.  I mean, you don't see power pole transformers mounted horizontally.  That's what a coil is after all, and both are oil filled.  I've never owned a vehicle where the coil was mounted horizontally, so I can't comment directly on whether or not it affects the longevity, but it certainly doesn't seem right.  Of course its fair to say would Ford have done it for so long if it had been a liability from a warranty standpoint?  Of course the counterpoint is that warranties were much shorter back when these cars were new than they are today.  Interesting either way I think. 

The OE Ford coils are not oil filled
 

Then that explains it and makes perfect sense. 
 

 

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