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Been a while since I posted here, Between moving, remodeling, tearing my ACL/ w/ Meniscus tear and months of PT I am back at this restoration thing, needless to say life got in the way. While I was on the mend I find a shop local to me in Bend Or ( A-team Restoration, anybody ever heard of them? ) to do the body work, panel repair, and paint. I know the the meaning of "you pay for what you get" as it's been fairly pricey endeavor. I had planned on originally going with silver smoke gray, but opted for Ignot Silver
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Ignot Silver Effect is a current ford color used on the mustang.
I really lije the way it came out, Now tho finish pouring the car back together.
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Some repairs they did, found this rear sail panel rusty and worth replacing.
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With the premise of "you get what you pay for" prior to finding this shop I had my car at a "restoration shop" to paint my car, it was when he stated "I am just going to leave the windshield in place when I paint it" I knew it was time to get it out of there. ... this is what it looked like underneath:
Also said he was going too leave the remnants of the convertible top in place and paint:
I cut the cowl ends to inspect/paint inside there, come to find out this is how the other shop tried tho repair it, tape and some sort of epoxy:
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Lastly, the other shop tried to replace inner fender apron w/o welding and again using some kind of glue, which the measurements were way off, so needed replaced, along with the front and opposing inner fender apron, not they cut around the vin to retain:
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Well that brings me to today, Definetly been lesson learned. Now to get this thing back together, if anybody remembered I had a hydraulic roller 5.0 built that is bored .30 over ( 306?) E303 cam, AFR 165 heads that I am mating to a T5z I got from Rosehill Performance, still need a clutch/fly wheel and all the things between motor and trans, looking for suggestions there?
Also, thinking since I have gone to these lengths I would like to go EFI, leaning towards peicing together the parts to go with the fox body EFI setup w/ manual transmission ECU. Best way to accomplish this, searching ebay and craigs list? Thanks y'all, sorry for the multiple posts, it's been a long year. ..
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Sure....(I love spending other guys money!!$)
I've always wanted to try an Alum. flywheel in these little high horse/low weight carz. Heard more good than bad reports from guyz that ACTUALLY installed one! A bit pricey butt.....
Didn't say what ratio rear gear butt....3.55:1 seems to get the "BIG OKE-DOKE" from most classic Mustang dudez.
Make sure the timing in the distrib. is advancing quicker! 36*@ 1500/2000RPM will make a HUGE difference.
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I have quite a few of the EEC-IV bits which are surplus to my needs. Let me take inventory and PM you a list next week (leaving for a grandbaby visit in the morning) before you start gathering. Anything I want to shed will be for shipping cost only so it might be cost effective.
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Hey 6sally6 that is in fact what I installed, Yukon torque lock 3.55 rear end.
Bullet, wow that would be fantastic! I will keep an eye out for a PM and hold off before I start to gather components, I really appreciate it. Whats the going rate to have a man of your expertise on sight to help with install, :-)
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I don't know how you guys run those t5z's with mid 3 gears, I had one and went back to a wc because 5th was just to tall for the cam.
I'm running
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4:11s with the .68 5th and can run around at 65-70mph comfortably.
The taller 1st was ok but I am at elevation too. I feel like those z's were pretty much designed for deep gears or turbo set up that likes the pull.
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It’s 👀ing good
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Had a '90 GT with T5Z and 3.73 gearz...Loved it and I'm at 6000ft.
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devovino wrote:
Whats the going rate to have a man of your expertise on sight to help with install, :-)
If we didn't have the whole summer and part of the fall all booked up I'd drag the trailer to OR and gladly do some point'in and grunt'in. But honestly, you don't need someone looking over your shoulder. Get Charles Probst's book, "Ford Electronic Fuel Injection" (through 1993), study a bit, do some reading on line, ax a few questions, and go fer it. It is rocket science but that was thirty years ago. Now it's fairly easy to figure out until you get into re-programming which you don't need to do. Your 5.0 with AFR heads and E303 cam will run great with a stock HO mass air system. I'm running the same setup with a Comp XE 266 and it runs fine. The stock system with 19lb injectors is good for 350hp so you'll probably be good.
I'll be in touch.
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A lot of the EFI stuff is available new also. Check out LMR or American Muscle.
If you need injectors and can jump on this quick I've got a set of freshly reconditioned 19s up for sale on eBay right now. Here's a link to the auction:
I also have a stock intake manifold (upper and lower) with a Ford Racing 65mm throttle body and EGR spacer if you're interested PM me.
Harness wise I think you're better off going aftermarket. The Fox stuff is 30 years old now, and often brittle with broken connectors, etc. The Fox injector harness is actually being reproduced, and runs about $270 from LMR.
For the ECU, if you can find an A9L that's the hot ticket. Best factory tuning for a manual trans car. As far as tuning; actually pretty easy if you want to get into it. The stock system should run the engine fine. If you encounter driveability issues though you will need to tune it. Something like Moate's Quarter Horse is a great setup with the EEC Analyer and Binary Editor software package. Forum support for it is huge. I would get the car up and running and then see if its necessary.
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Hey TKO thanks for the feed back, I took a look at the injectors and ends in a few hours, might be a possibility. I well have to compile a list of things needed, makes sense about the harness better off to go new in that regard. I week take a look at LMR too see whst they offer. I am interested in the upper/lower might it make mute sense tho find it local, say craigs list? I found a 90 5.0 w/ AOD guy will partt with for 2/300$ tempted to go swoop it up, getting harder to find these days.
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Yeah, depending on what it comes with that is a good price. I'd want all the accessory brackets, engine wiring harness, fuel lines, injectors, ECU, etc. What kills you is having to piece all that stuff together. The brackets, etc. are all being reproduced, and are easy to find, BUT they aren't cheap. The hardware kit for the brackets alone is like $70. That's where buying a complete engine has advantages.
Injector auction closed, no big deal, couldn't believe they only brought $75. I just lost $125. eBay just isn't what it used to be. 10-15 years ago everything sold for stupid money. Today it seems the stuff gets looks but no one buys. I've listed stuff on Craigslist too, but people there just want to try and give you half what you want for something by bringing cash and thinking they're slick. Hey genius, EVERYONE pays cash. What? Do you think I'm going to take a check from you? Anyway, such is the hobby. That words seems to fall painfully short though, its really an obsession, or a sickness isn't it?
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TKOPerformance wrote:
Yeah, depending on what it comes with that is a good price. I'd want all the accessory brackets, engine wiring harness, fuel lines, injectors, ECU, etc. What kills you is having to piece all that stuff together. The brackets, etc. are all being reproduced, and are easy to find, BUT they aren't cheap. The hardware kit for the brackets alone is like $70. That's where buying a complete engine has advantages.
Injector auction closed, no big deal, couldn't believe they only brought $75. I just lost $125. eBay just isn't what it used to be. 10-15 years ago everything sold for stupid money. Today it seems the stuff gets looks but no one buys. I've listed stuff on Craigslist too, but people there just want to try and give you half what you want for something by bringing cash and thinking they're slick. Hey genius, EVERYONE pays cash. What? Do you think I'm going to take a check from you? Anyway, such is the hobby. That words seems to fall painfully short though, its really an obsession, or a sickness isn't it?
Well the 200$ 5.0 sold, back to the drawing board. I did find a 95 mustang HO 5.0 in a junk yard w/ T-5 that had a small fire under hood which burned some harness and dizzy for 800$, but then A) have to take it all apart to get all the parts B) little fire (should?) Concerns me. C) At what point am I better off just going aftermarket for EFI, or just go with carb for simplicity reasons? Either way I would get a 5.0/T-5 for a future project, had my eye on a 1960 f-100 that would be perfect but one project at a time.
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Well...........I know for a fact you guyz are just entering your "nice weather period" for this year. I also know it starts back with the rain/drizzle sorta early too.
I'd throw a carb on it and drive the dookey out of it while you can enjoy it!
Jus say'in
6sal6
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6sally6 wrote:
Well...........I know for a fact you guyz are just entering your "nice weather period" for this year. I also know it starts back with the rain/drizzle sorta early too.
I'd throw a carb on it and drive the dookey out of it while you can enjoy it!
Jus say'in
6sal6
Copy that! I mean here in Bend were high desert at 4000ft ^ sea level so its usually really nice/dry, way less "drizzly" than say Portland, but yeah short summer's for sure, half of me does want to just intake/carb this thing and get it rolling asap, but the other half says stick it out and do it the way I want it the first time. Researching the foxbody efi mgmt system and have found all the needed parts are available, just takes a lot of time, then hoping the right tune will be attainable w/ alum. heads and cam. Still need gas tank, return line, in tank fuel pump... yadda yadda
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devovino wrote:
6sally6 wrote:
Well...........I know for a fact you guyz are just entering your "nice weather period" for this year. I also know it starts back with the rain/drizzle sorta early too.
I'd throw a carb on it and drive the dookey out of it while you can enjoy it!
Jus say'in
6sal6.... Researching the foxbody efi mgmt system....... find all the needed parts that are available.... takes a lot of time...... hoping the right tune will be attainable w/ alum. heads and cam.... need gas tank.... return line.... in tank fuel pump... yadda yadda
EXACTLY!!!!
We ain't promised another day!!!
I vote carb and intake and drive...drive...drive...
You got lotsa drizzly days to look for parts...not many pretty/sunny days to enjoy.
6sal6
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6sally6 wrote:
devovino wrote:
6sally6 wrote:
Well...........I know for a fact you guyz are just entering your "nice weather period" for this year. I also know it starts back with the rain/drizzle sorta early too.
I'd throw a carb on it and drive the dookey out of it while you can enjoy it!
Jus say'in
6sal6.... Researching the foxbody efi mgmt system....... find all the needed parts that are available.... takes a lot of time...... hoping the right tune will be attainable w/ alum. heads and cam.... need gas tank.... return line.... in tank fuel pump... yadda yadda
EXACTLY!!!!
We ain't promised another day!!!
I vote carb and intake and drive...drive...drive...
You got lotsa drizzly days to look for parts...not many pretty/sunny days to enjoy.
6sal6
Haha, like I said, very little drizzle here in the high deserts, we kinda transition right to snow.... which could be more fatal. I mean, one could drive their classic in the rain right? Test out my new windshield.
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Devovino......you have a PM!
6sal6
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Hey gang doubling back on this to ask a few questions about the EFI route. I bought a “ couple crates” of efi goods from a gentleman with a fastback that changed his mind on EFI and is sticking with carb, so for 100$ I received more wiring than I know what to do with, several computers (ecu’s A3m1 being one) headers, fuel pumps, several fuel rails/intake manifold, box of new injectors, high P.O. injectors, yadda, and what ended up being a gt40 upper and plenum. So I decided to look for a different intake and found a guy close by selling an Edelbrock Performer intake and plenum that he had on a race car w/ 347 and a turbo setup, he is pulling out to put a big block of some sort in his 90 fox body. Long story short he is parting with these goods for a steal of a price, and has a couple intakes and turbo and all kinda stuff, bbl 70mm throttle body,seems the deeper I dig the more I get out of my league, it’s a sickness I think, my self talk “dude just throw a carb on and drive this classic” ... ala 6 sally 6.
Anybody ever put a turbo on a classic? He mentioned something to the tune of a mega squirt 2? DIY tuning? How long is a piece of string.
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Said this is a typhoon intake w/ 90mm plenum reduced down to a 70mm throttle body, “ plug and play” w/ 41lb injectors
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Edelbrock Performer w/ boosted setup which I think would be a kick in the pants, but worry I would spend my whole life tuning and fiddling around with tuning, then more trouble shooting... neat as heck though, any chance it would be like my excursion and I could just drive the thing worry free and let the computer do it’s thing?
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