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Sorry for the multiple threads today but I have clearly have several issues to take care of.
1. A leak from the windshield area which started last year. Went from a light drizzle to puddling now. It seems to be pretty central, the enters around the throttle pedal area. My question is, is it more likely to be the windshield, or the Cowel?
2. I removed my strut rods to have custom ones built. After reinstalling a factory set, my car pulls HARD LEFT.
I'd like to know what I can do to the rods to straighten it, or best way to do a temporary alignment until I get my set for a proper one
Many thanks,
Jeff
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1. No way for us to say! You need to lay under dash area and have someone spray windshield with garden hose and look for leak with flashlight. (I hope its the windshield!)
2. Eight miles to alignment shop won't hurt anything.
MAKE SURE.....this alignment tech puts in YOUR specs and NOT what his computer calls for! If not.....it will drive wonky. (Go to Daze's website...top of this page....and get a copy of the specs for alignment. THESE will make it drive right.)
The stock front struts are NOT used to bring front end into alignment. Shims are used to get the alignment right. Crank'in down on the nuts on the end of the strut rod is NOT how the caster is set!!
Make sure this guy is "old school" alignment tech (familiar with shim adjustments)
Don't ask how I knowthis!
6sal6
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My 68 has caster adjustment via the strut rods. Are you sure his 69 does not?
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If its a '67-up the strut rods are adjustable. There really should be no need to use anything other that factory strut rods. The '65-'66 cars benefit from something adjustable as they were not adjustable from the factory and the only way to change caster was to shim the upper control arm off the shock tower unevenly to shift the location of the upper balljoint and therefore change the angle of spindle inclination. This provided adjustment over only a very narrow range. The stock setup on a '67-up is better, but still can't really get enough positive caster for a performance alignment, or use with something like Borgeson power steering (it won't want to return to center). Therefore, all front end modifications need to start with the Shelby/Arning drop. This relocates the UCA 1" lower and 1/8" rearward. The 1" drop dramatically improves the camber curve and negates the need to run a ton of negative camber to get the car to handle. The 1/8" move rearward adds about 1.5 degrees of positive caster, allowing you to get 3.5 degrees positive or even slightly more using stock strut rods. Its a fairly easy mod to make, all you need is a drilling template, which I or one of the other guys on the site will gladly loan you for the cost of round trip shipping.
As far as what's causing the pull, it could be a lot of things. Certainly uneven caster adjustment by more than 1/4-1/2 degree side to side can cause a pull. BUT, camber being off and toe being out, or the steering not being centered can all cause that too.
My advice would be to buy a Fastrax or Longacre gauge to set caster and camber and either buy or make a set of turn plates. For about $300 plus a tape measure you can align the car yourself. Fewer and fewer places know how to align these old cars. You never know what spec they are going to use (you can't use the original specs which were for bias ply tires; the car will handle like a deathtrap). You give them specs, but never know if they really align it to your specs, or just do what's easiest since time is always a factor when shops are trying to move cars in and out to maximize profit. Its just better to do it yourself, spend as much time as you need to make it right, and know where the alignment is really set.
After the UCA drop do as follows:
Set caster first, go for 3.5 degrees positive on the LH side and 3.75 degrees positive on the RH side (stagger accounts for road crown and makes the car track straight). Then set camber at 0-0.5 degree negative. Then center your steering (ties rods the same length) and adjust toe evenly side to side until you get 1/8" toe in (1/8" less measurement on the front of the tires than the rear from treat block to tread block).
As for the leak, if the choice is cowl or windshield the likelihood is heavily weighted towards cowl I think. Try blocking the cowl openings watertight and seeing if the leak is still there or goes away.
Last edited by TKOPerformance (6/02/2018 5:59 PM)
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Thank you Very .Much TKO. Hat was brilliant, I actually own the Arning drop template. I have been meaning to do but wanted to have everything else in place prior. I did buy it cause my vehicle has been aligned 4 times in 8yrs and it has NEVER driven straight. Always squirrelly or when it hits a bump, wheel cranks and away she goes.
My only concern is that I placed 1" drop suspension all around, do I need a spacer to raise the front before implementing the Arning Drop?
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OOOPS!!
Silly me.....I thought EVERYBODY had a 66 like me, I guess.
Reading is a very useful skill......I should try it more often!!
6sally6
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im guessing but not hoping cowl...hopefully not. .windshield repair is much lessi would pour water on both start windshield first and see if it leaks..if not pour into the cowel
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TKOPerformance wrote:
After the UCA drop do as follows:
Set caster first, go for 3.5 degrees positive on the LH side and 3.75 degrees positive on the RH side (stagger accounts for road crown and makes the car track straight). Then set camber at 0-0.5 degree negative.
Fixed it for you.
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rpm wrote:
TKOPerformance wrote:
After the UCA drop do as follows:
Set caster first, go for 3.5 degrees positive on the LH side and 3.75 degrees positive on the RH side (stagger accounts for road crown and makes the car track straight). Then set camber at 0-0.5 degree negative.Fixed it for you.
Thanks! And don't I feel like a holier than thou jerk because I just corrected someone else for making the same mistake! I edited my original post so its correct.
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M1Mustang69 wrote:
Thank you Very .Much TKO. Hat was brilliant, I actually own the Arning drop template. I have been meaning to do but wanted to have everything else in place prior. I did buy it cause my vehicle has been aligned 4 times in 8yrs and it has NEVER driven straight. Always squirrelly or when it hits a bump, wheel cranks and away she goes.
My only concern is that I placed 1" drop suspension all around, do I need a spacer to raise the front before implementing the Arning Drop?
You don't necessarily have to use a tall spring isolator to gain the 1" back. Though, without knowing what wheel/tire combination is on the car I would certainly advise it. I run 17" wheels with 245/45R17s on the front and there's no way I could have dropped it another inch.
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