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8/05/2018 10:17 AM  #1


Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

........details coming soon.
Gosh I love classic cars....what-a-rush!!!!!!
6s6


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8/05/2018 10:24 AM  #2


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

I hope it happened in the driveway! 


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/05/2018 12:20 PM  #3


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

It was a common experience in the old days. Old days being defined only as the early 60's and beyond cause that's when I started driving. Any vehicle with a single resivoir is subject to instant no worky no moe. It is used as an exercise to see how well you can dodge cars in an inersection, down hills and around corners. It is also used while putting your car in the garage. FYI it also works on airplanes while doing full power run ups while aimed at the hanger or another airplane. They were all rushes I care not to duplicate. The only damage that I ever had was to another airplane that I bumped into. It was negligable. I hope it ended well for you and there was no damage.

Last edited by HudginJ3 (8/05/2018 12:31 PM)


70, ragtop 351W/416 stroker Edel Performer heads w pro flow 4, Comp roller 35-421-8. T5
 

8/05/2018 1:59 PM  #4


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Wow, you and the car ok? clean your shorts out and give us the details!!


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

8/05/2018 2:13 PM  #5


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Speaking of the old days, how bout mechanical brakes!


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/05/2018 5:41 PM  #6


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

I seem to recall David Friedburger who used to be editor for Car Craft (and a couple other magazines IIRC, and now host that show Road Kill on Velocity) saying once that you either need functional brakes or a manual transmission and a horn. 

I drove my '76 CJ5 with no brakes around the farm for years.  In 4 low, with 3.15:1 gear reduction in the transfer case, plus the 3.54:1 axle ratio, and 1st gear in the 3 speed (probably a 3.xx or so; not a granny low by any means) it would just creep along, and even maxed out in 3rd gear it was probably only running maybe 35MPH.  I could just downshift, and eventually double clutch it into reverse and by slowly letting out the clutch I could stop the thing on a dime, so long as I had enough room to plan for it. 

I lost hydraulics in my '06 F250 once.  One of the rear calipers got hung up when one of the slide pins stopped sliding.  I couldn't even hear it over the Diesel, and it ground about halfway through the metal part of the inner brake pad until it got so thin it slipped out of the caliper mount and the pistons made contact with the rotor (they were unable to stop the truck unfortunately).  The pistons got cocked in their bores and it started puking fluid.  I drove from Rising Sun, MD back to Newark, DE (about 35 miles) with no hydraulic brakes.  I stuck the transmission in Tow/Haul to use compression braking, and then would ease into the e-brake if needed.  Fortunately it was late at night and there were few cars on the road.  I got home without incident. 

The scariest time it happened I was about 16 or 17 and had converted my '67 to power front disc brakes.  I couldn't get the manual brake pedal to work, so I bent up a pushrod extender.  I stepped on the brakes one time too many; it bent and there went the brakes.  Fortunately I was less than 2 miles from home on back roads.  We both got there fine.  No internet at the time to quickly tell me that the pedals are different between manual and power brakes.  Nothing about it in the instructions from SSBC either.  Made a half dozen calls to figure it out, swapped the pedal and problem solved, but the prospect of wrecking that car was pretty damn terrifying. 

Hopefully you and your ride are both okay 6sally6. 

 

8/05/2018 6:34 PM  #7


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Rudi wrote:

Speaking of the old days, how bout mechanical brakes!

Been there Rudi.  Had a Two-Port Riley, Winfield carbs, and push & pray brakes on my first Model A.  One night in the rain I had to stop quick.  Nailed the brakes four times and had three different wheels lock up...one at a time.

Next day I started the Juice Brake conversion.

Sure hope you're okay, Mike.  And, the car too.

BB

Last edited by Bullet Bob (8/05/2018 6:35 PM)


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8/05/2018 8:36 PM  #8


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

30 years ago I was driving a 2 ton IH dump loaded with sand. Came to a stop sign, stepped on the brake and the lines busted. I started grabbing a lot of gears. Luckily no traffic at that moment and I made the turn without rolling. A lot of pucker factor involved there.


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
 

8/05/2018 10:54 PM  #9


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Sally...Sally...Bueller...
Hopefully he was working on them brakes today, and was too tarred to reply.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/06/2018 4:55 AM  #10


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa. parked it. Something even more major popped up!
Never dull in "sally-ville"!
I'll just say...thank the Lord for a manual tranny----- and living in a flat area! (didn't even need the horn)!!!
6s6


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8/06/2018 8:25 AM  #11


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

I got my brakes super energized before I installed the new motor.


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8/06/2018 10:15 AM  #12


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

mine went out one day on the highway here with the wife in the car. It was a humling feeling. Thankfully it was late at night and not many on the highway.. oh man!!! you are right Sally what a feeling!!!! LOL

Made me upgrade things quickly! LOL
 


If it aint broke, I have'nt tried to "Fix" it yet!
 

8/06/2018 7:39 PM  #13


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Could be worse. My son alternated driving my 69 coupe and the 66 fastback to high school. He had a brake caliper O ring fail on the 69 and a wheel cylinder fail on the 66. Luckily he was going slowly on a residential street both times, within walking distance of home. I got to drive both home without brakes. Fun times.

 

8/07/2018 8:25 AM  #14


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Not to say you would ever do it, Sal, but using the cheapest components you can find for your brake system is never a good idea!!!


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

8/07/2018 1:26 PM  #15


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

MS wrote:

Not to say you would ever do it, Sal, but using the cheapest components you can find for your brake system is never a good idea!!!


 


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/08/2018 7:28 PM  #16


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Well...........now that the "suspenders" has built, I can finally tell how it all went down.  (like-the-brake-pedal on-a-souped-up-Mustang)

"It was hot in the city....I was working the day watch out of robbery.....this is my partner Frank Smith..........my names Friday."         Dine-Da-Dine-Dine.

OH ...worng story!!
Anyway...after sitting up for over a month(weather/out-of-town)..finally had a nice evening...opened up the headers and fired the old hot rod up for a cruise. Stopped a few times......ripped thru the first couple of gears----a few times...everything seemed OK
Rode up the beach to.... "cruise-the-boulevard". When I  applied the brakes .....................I heard that un-nerving thump we all have learned to dread.  The THUMP of my brake pedal  as it smacked  the well padded carpet!!
Made a quick "U-E" and limped back home.
Now...we are in the height of tourist season  here and surprisingly enough....nobody "cut-in-front-of-me"...and slammed on their brakes (Gosh I love THAT!) Timed all half dozen or so traffic lights so I could roll through on green.
I needed to make one left-hand turn across traffic and was able to stop by killing the ignition while in first gear.
           Hey...what can I say...God looks out for me!! ....He LIKES ME!!
Thank goodness for manual trannys.
Looks like I ruptured the rear brake line right above the third member. It's only 52 years old....you would think stuff would hold up a little better butt.....
Strange thang is....my front discsezz shoulda still worked and stopped me ...butt they didn't.
As one somewhat famous brake expert sez....."theoretically".....the front disc should have still stopped you........theoretically............OK.
Rear bowl was full(MC) of fluid butt of course the front bowl was 3/4 empty. Master cylinder COULD have "taken-a-dump" the same time the rear brake line let go.
"Theoretically"..... that's nearly impossible butt.....looks like it mighta happened to old Sal.
The fix will be to replace brake lines from rear to MC.....May replace MC...... WYAIT. 
It's a good time to replace that rubber hose that connects the rear line with the line going down the tunnel. 
Need to use the looong hose(how MANY times have I said that!!?) Since I have dual exhaust.
  What......hose off a 69 is longer than the 66,....right?! 
Dead line is to get it right before BulletBob and Rudi come to the beach!!!!
6s6


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8/08/2018 7:58 PM  #17


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Well Sal, Bob or I might want to ride along if we can have an anchor on our lap to toss out.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/09/2018 1:31 AM  #18


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Rudi wrote:

Well Sal, Bob or I might want to ride along if we can have an anchor on our lap to toss out.

Someone was asking about a six cylinder engine on a thread here a little while ago, maybe its still available?

 

8/09/2018 7:49 AM  #19


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

TKOPerformance wrote:

Rudi wrote:

Well Sal, Bob or I might want to ride along if we can have an anchor on our lap to toss out.

Someone was asking about a six cylinder engine on a thread here a little while ago, maybe its still available?

C'mon guys give the sixers a little bit of love eh!
 I betcha more  Mustang miles were racked up with the engines that march in a row than the ones that had pistons wore out on one side from laying on an 90 degree angle. 


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/10/2018 11:07 AM  #20


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Well Sal, as your good buddy, I’m gonna give you some tough love. The front brakes SHOULD have stopped you! The front brakes should be doing most of the work. You really need to find out why they didn’t work. Maybe the pistons are stuck in the front calipers. Nobody wants your new paint wrinkled.

 

8/10/2018 4:22 PM  #21


Re: Experienced what it feels like to have the brake pedal go to the floor

Is there a distribution block in the system with a shuttle valve to isolate front and rear circuits?  If so there could be an issue with it.  Musclecar Research has kits to rebuild most any of them.  A couple bucks for some seals and o-rings is money well spent.  I'm going through some valves from the '80s that are full of corrosion inside.  They are aluminum bodied though.  The earlier, brass bodied valves should be okay internally and just need a good cleaning.  Here's a link to Musclecar Research's website:

https://www.musclecarresearch.com/

 

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