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10/21/2018 9:16 AM  #1


70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues




There are a few steps left out in the instructions. Such as removing the
Transmission / ignition lock device that is in the steering column.


70, ragtop 351W/416 stroker Edel Performer heads w pro flow 4, Comp roller 35-421-8. T5
 

10/21/2018 9:21 PM  #2


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

The tube will have to be cut down but I don't know how far yet. You can see by the pic that there is not much to cut off. I will need the MS lower bearing kit to support the steering shaft and to prevent the engine heat going up the steering tube.


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10/22/2018 11:10 AM  #3


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

Ya gotta love vague directions. 

That seems like a safety feature worth keeping. Is there a way to cut the welds loose on the lock device and move it up the column to be rewelded? How many other things would be effected by the change?


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

10/22/2018 3:14 PM  #4


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I hadn't thought of cutting it off and re welding it. Turns out that there won't be enough room to do that after I cut off the end of the steering column. But it's not a saftey feature. It's an anti-theft device. It's a mechanical transmission and ignition locking device. I can keep the ignition lock. When I put in the automatic trans, the trans locking feature went away.


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11/08/2018 8:48 PM  #5


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

Got the Borgeson installed and did the Arning drop. I got it aligned and really like the way it feels and drives. I had three power steering pumps in my stash so I took the cleanest one apart and put new seals in it and installed it. The one I was using had a lot of metal flake in it so I decided to retire it though it was working OK. The exchanged pump is really noisey. Of the three this one looked like it had hardly any wear. Is there some way to quiet it down of should I put the old one back on?


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11/08/2018 10:19 PM  #6


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

What kind of pump is it?  What kind of fluid are you running?

 

11/09/2018 9:19 AM  #7


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

It's the Ford pump, using type F transmission fluid. I couldn't find instructions on what fluid to use so figured better stick with the Ford stuff.


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11/09/2018 11:05 AM  #8


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

My pump was noisy, so I went to O' Reillys and got a remanufactured Fox Body and the noise is completely gone.  Works perfect and was cheap.


Mustang Steve Bash in Gruene, Texas September29-30, 2023
 

11/09/2018 11:07 AM  #9


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

Make sure you flush the Borgeson and the lines when you replace the pump.  I used power steering fluid to do the flush.


Mustang Steve Bash in Gruene, Texas September29-30, 2023
 

11/09/2018 11:15 AM  #10


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

HudginJ3 wrote:

It's the Ford pump, using type F transmission fluid. I couldn't find instructions on what fluid to use so figured better stick with the Ford stuff.

The Ford pumps are designed to run F Type ATF, so you're doing. everything right.  You definitely need to flush the box per Borgeson's instructions.  Just stick the return hose in an empty 2 liter soda bottle and keep the reservoir topped off.  The bleeding part of it is important too, especially the first part without the engine running. 

 

11/11/2018 7:16 PM  #11


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I'll try it again.


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11/12/2018 11:13 AM  #12


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I drained the pump and flushed 2 qts of type F through the whole system. Filled it up and turned the wheel back and for the twice stop to stop. It gets a little stiff when in the middle but moved on. It was still full of fluid so I started it and after about 5 seconds started making noise so I shut it off. The fluid is now full of air bubbles so I will let it sit till the bubbles go away and try it again. I'm thinking of putting some Lucas power steering fluid in it cause that stuff is like STP but I am a little leary of doing that seeing as the steering box is new. Any other suggestions?


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11/12/2018 11:55 AM  #13


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I have the Borg box with a Ford 5.0 PS pump and I run O'Reile's finest PS fluid as per instructions from Borg after I had them replace seals.  So far no leaks, noises, or problems.

BB


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11/12/2018 1:13 PM  #14


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

Its kind of a mismatch unfortunately.  The 5.0 pumps are supposed to run Ford F-Type ATF.  The Borgesson box is supposed to run PS fluid.  The Borgesson box kind of assumes you are going to run a Saginaw pump, which also is supposed to run PS fluid.  Adapter fittings can make the hoses work, but I don't know how you solve this issue.  There are a lot of posts on various forums about Ford PS pumps making noise when people put PS fluid in them instead of F-Type ATF.  The question I suppose is did the pumps make noise because of the PS fluid or would they have made noise anyway?  Not like the Ford pumps exactly have a spotless reputation in that regard...

 

11/12/2018 1:40 PM  #15


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

Well, my hearing is pretty awful...maybe that's why it doesen't make noise.

BB


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10/31/2019 11:36 AM  #16


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I have a 70 as well andI am thinking about converting to a Borgeson PS unit.
I have a 351 Cleveland, power brakes and manual transmission.  Did you run into any clearance issues during the installation ?
My engine compartment is pretty tight.
Gerald (JR)
 

 

10/31/2019 2:54 PM  #17


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

Can't speak to the Cleaveland, but I can say that headers could be an issue on nay engine if you have them.  They are designed to clear the factory box and the Borgesson one is considerably bigger.  I had to put a decent sized dent in one of the tubes of my JBA shorties to achieve the necessary clearance. 

I seem to recall a possible Z-Bar issue as well, but I'll let others who have such a setup chime in.  I run a cable clutch and have no issues with clearance. 

 

10/31/2019 5:27 PM  #18


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

PS or type f fluid is anti foaming Hyd. fluid to a point. Once air gets in things will get noisy. Same goes for heavy equipment hydraulics. It will take time to work it out. Have a few beers and let it cool down. I would just crank the engine without it starting and let the air come to the top. Top it off and see what happens.

 

10/31/2019 6:09 PM  #19


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I did the borgesion conversion in my 65 with the Saginaw pump and stock steering shaft. I run Amsoil trans fluid and have no noise. I run the same fluid in my 67 Chevy truck for years turning 15x 36ers with a 1973 trans am quick turn box. I think you just got alot of air.


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10/31/2019 6:15 PM  #20


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I have the Windsor but you will still need to get a different Z-Bar. It goes up and over the steering box and back down to meet the push rod. I don't remember where I got it from but they only make one of each type, one that clears the Borgeson box or one that clears the JBA headers. I opted for the one that clears the box and bent it to clear the headers. I had to bend it closer to the frame and twist it over to the clutch release lever. I did have to pound a dent in the JBA header to clear the body of the steering box. I used a 3 in diameter piece of pipe as the forming device so it looks like it was made that way instead of hammer dents. I had to remove the steering column and cut off about 21/2 inches down at the bottom so that the rag joint would fit and hook up. That means loosing the locking mechanism for the transmission. Rather than cutting it I took the steering column apart and took the whole thing out. That left the collar at the top a little sloppy cause now it isn't attached to anything.  Doing all that left a big hole in the bottom of the steering column tube. I filled that up with the Mustang Steve steering column bearing. It also now keeps the heat from the engine traveling up the column and now is a lot cooler when driving. I also had to pound in the steering shaft and collapse it a little. All this made it a little tricky to reinstall the steering column. I pulled out the steering shaft and put it in the rag joint first and then slid the column down the rest of the way over it. The only thing that bothers me about the conversion is that the hoses now are routed up to the top and around the shock tower instead of as originaly down the bottom underneath.

Last edited by HudginJ3 (10/31/2019 6:47 PM)


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11/01/2019 9:30 PM  #21


Re: 70 Mustang Borgeson installation issues

I did the borgeson conversion in my 65 and made this hose holder to help keep them away from the exhaust

Last edited by Cab4word67 (11/01/2019 9:32 PM)


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