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Been many days since I frequented ol Mustang Steve fyi, my project is moving along at a snails pace, literally stalled up for the last year with little to no progress... such is life I guess?
Either way, narrowing it down to a couple headers for my 306 w/AFR 165 headers, converting to a T-5z (I bought from he amazing Glenn At Rosehill Performance) with his supplied bell housing which I am not sure exactly that is anymore? Will be a power steering car probably convert further to the Borg Warner unit. Which headers y’all using? Considering the Patriot Clippster shorty, or possibly tri-y, I seem to get conflicting fitment information wherever I look?
Well I guess I can’t say I have made no progress, deciding to go EFI on my car by way of the foxbody system. Acquired all the parts needed from efi harness, fuel rails, couple sets of injectors, found a nice top end setup in the edlebrock performer RPM2. ( which I just got back from powder coating to match the paint scheme, call me crazy) found a A3M1 computer ( but am considering using a mega squirt 2 instead as it might be hard to replace the stock computer down the road, and adjustability of the MS is nice) , bbk 70mm throttle body spacer. Yadda yadda, I keep telling myself it’s a labor of love...
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Keep the Fox wiring in place and get a Plug and Play Megasquirt! DIY Auto Tune has them along with Stinger perf. They plug right in to the 60 pin EEC connector.
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Keep the Fox wiring in place and get a Plug and Play Megasquirt! DIY Auto Tune has them along with Stinger perf. They plug right in to the 60 pin EEC connector.
Hey Raymond, indeed thats what I am looking at. The gentleman whom I bought the Edlebrock intake from was running it on his foxbody with the DIY Auto tune with Megasquirt 2, he is removing his 347 in favor of a big block, so I got a good deal on the intake and I will be buying the DIY from him as well, with all the components that go with it, wide band 02 sensors, some sort of stimulator(?) diy auto tune, extra efi harness, etc. He was also running a little turbo 80mm with this setup but I can’t seem to find a way to make that work with a manual car, only for A/T. Also said he will throw in a MSD-6AL-2 but not sure I need that?
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That's awesome. Yeah the stim allows you to power up the Megasquirt on the bench and simulate some of the sensor inputs like TPS, O2, RPM, temp etc. Comes in handy to ensure that the box is working good. I found that it's good for learning the Tuner Studio software as well. Not sure what you mean about the turbo? Do you mean turbo/automatic trans features in the Megasquirt? I'd take the MSD box, you could sell or trade it down the road
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I avoid the 6-AL boxes because I've had two of them fail. There's already a rev limiter in the Fox system so its redundant anyway.
If Megasquirt is your bag so be it, but another viable option is the Moates Quarterhorse and Binary Editor/EEC Analyzer software bundle that allows you to just use the Fox ECU and make any changes you want.
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That's awesome. Yeah the stim allows you to power up the Megasquirt on the bench and simulate some of the sensor inputs like TPS, O2, RPM, temp etc. Comes in handy to ensure that the box is working good. I found that it's good for learning the Tuner Studio software as well. Not sure what you mean about the turbo? Do you mean turbo/automatic trans features in the Megasquirt? I'd take the MSD box, you could sell or trade it down the road
Interesting, I was not exactly sure what the stimulators function was, good to know, I am just kinda scratching the surface with the Microsquirt stuff. Well the gentleman was running a boosted setup with 80mm turbo on his fox body, with E85 or some such thing, but in researching adding a turbo to my car being a manual vs. an automatic trans car, I have not found a way to route the exhaust with a manual trans car and they only seem to route it with an automatic trans car.
TKO, I had read about the quarterhorse and a little about the moates, but just have easy access to this megasquirt for a pretty good deal. With it being a DIY unit it should just come “pre-tuned” to just run my 306, with any adjustment being easily accessible. Like I mentioned I found the A3M1 computer ( thats for a 1992 5.0 5 speed trans) but was a little Leary after reading a few threads about folks having a glitch in the old computers and locking up their motors? Also you mention there is a built In rev limiter in the Fox body system, wouldn’t that be in the software of the ECU? Wouldn’t the redundancy of the MSD ignition just be a good fail safe?
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Why would you NOT want to use a nice Edelbrock carb and intake?! Maybe you don't realize what you'll be missing.....
The gas fumes....the stinky exhaust(I put cherry fragrance in my ethynol fuel)....the cold start issues(the chug-chug-chug of warm ups)....the sticking electric chokes....the pat-pat-pat of the accelerator while crank-crank-cranking the engine....smelly clothes after a nice ride.......jeez why???!
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Why would you NOT want to use a nice Edelbrock carb and intake?! Maybe you don't realize what you'll be missing.....
The gas fumes....the stinky exhaust(I put cherry fragrance in my ethynol fuel)....the cold start issues(the chug-chug-chug of warm ups)....the sticking electric chokes....the pat-pat-pat of the accelerator while crank-crank-cranking the engine....smelly clothes after a nice ride.......jeez why???!
6sally6
Hahahah, funny stuff right there! Honestly I have never owned a car with a carb, that’s sounds weird now that I say that... well maybe I did my first car was a 65 Volkswagen bug but I never had issues that I remember, do recall the sweet smell of running rich and such. I guess I also get my fill in my old ski boat, 454 with an edlebrock on it! Talk about cold starts and running rich, plus I used to run it cool without a thermostat, it always ran nice and cool though. Lots of pumping the throttle...
I never did get an answer to my original question, what headers does everybody prefer with a T-5 and cable clutch?
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The MSD would be redundancy, but my problem with the 6-AL is that I've had them fail, and not after years of use, after as little as a couple months. By contrast I've had the same 6-A, in three different vehicles and its never given me a lick of trouble. Maybe MSD had a bad run of boxes at one point, who knows. I know they were non-repairable when I sent them in to MSD. This has led me to just avoid the 6-AL.
The best Fox ECU would be the A9L for a stick application. When tuning with the factory ECUs you need one where the BIN has been cracked (though it has on most common Mustang 5.0 ECUs). Tunes are all over the forums for almost every conceivable application.
I'm not saying its not possible, but stuff on the internet tends to get greatly exaggerated. I've been tuning Foxes since they were new and I've never seen or heard first hand of an ECU causing any issues with the engine.
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And...they STILL haven't answered your original question...LOL. Butt (TS&T), I will make a feeble beginning effort.
For a simple street driven cruiser I prefer the HiPo cast iron manifolds. They clear everything, are reasonably priced, and if treated to a bead blast and two coats of POR-15 Exhaust paint will look great for years.
Or, a lot of guys on here go for various headers and the best fitting seem to be the JBA Shorties. I guess they are pricey but they are apparently the easiest to deal with in the early cars.
You mentioned Tri-Ys and other than hanging down in the dirt, if you are running EFI they will cause you to place the HEGOs a long way from the exhaust ports...and that isn't the best for closed loop operation from what I have read.
Okay, I got it going. Now people who know what they are talking about can chime in.
Good luck and If you go with the MegaSquirt let us know how it works out.
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Headerz.......I like the sound of long tubes(they just say...'60's hot rod/pony car') Hookers (on my buddy's Mustang) require the engine to be jacked up and STILL result in a lotta cuss'in! I have a set that was on the car when I bought it that absolutely FALL OUT from the bottom when unbolted!! Perfect fit. Have no idea who made them....prolly Blackjack or maybe Hedman. Still need an open end wrench/box-end wrench/socket&rachet/hex-nut wrench to install and remove.
Even the "good-ones" can be a booger to get off/on butt.....how many times will they need to be removed??! Once ever 5/6 years?!
IF you engine is all dressed up then spring for powder coated/stainless/chrome ones. If it a good-old-daily-driver.....paint'em and enjoy'em.
6sal6
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Bullet Bob wrote:
And...they STILL haven't answered your original question...LOL. Butt (TS&T), I will make a feeble beginning effort.
For a simple street driven cruiser I prefer the HiPo cast iron manifolds. They clear everything, are reasonably priced, and if treated to a bead blast and two coats of POR-15 Exhaust paint will look great for years.
Or, a lot of guys on here go for various headers and the best fitting seem to be the JBA Shorties. I guess they are pricey but they are apparently the easiest to deal with in the early cars.
You mentioned Tri-Ys and other than hanging down in the dirt, if you are running EFI they will cause you to place the HEGOs a long way from the exhaust ports...and that isn't the best for closed loop operation from what I have read.
Okay, I got it going. Now people who know what they are talking about can chime in.
This makes sense, placement of the HEGO would definitely be higher up if I used a shorty, leaning towards patriots cloisters, supposed to tuck tight Up against the motor. Also need to place the wide band 02 sensor in there somewhere.
Good luck and If you go with the MegaSquirt let us know how it works out.
BB
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Been many days since I frequented ol Mustang Steve fyi, my project is moving along at a snails pace, literally stalled up for the last year with little to no progress... such is life I guess?
Either way, narrowing it down to a couple headers for my 306 w/AFR 165 headers, converting to a T-5z (I bought from he amazing Glenn At Rosehill Performance) with his supplied bell housing which I am not sure exactly that is anymore? Will be a power steering car probably convert further to the Borg Warner unit. Which headers y’all using? Considering the Patriot Clippster shorty, or possibly tri-y, I seem to get conflicting fitment information wherever I look?
Well I guess I can’t say I have made no progress, deciding to go EFI on my car by way of the foxbody system. Acquired all the parts needed from efi harness, fuel rails, couple sets of injectors, found a nice top end setup in the edlebrock performer RPM2. ( which I just got back from powder coating to match the paint scheme, call me crazy) found a A3M1 computer ( but am considering using a mega squirt 2 instead as it might be hard to replace the stock computer down the road, and adjustability of the MS is nice) , bbk 70mm throttle body spacer. Yadda yadda, I keep telling myself it’s a labor of love...
Not familiar with the Borg Warner power steering mod - did you actually mean the Borgeson power steering mod? I've had one installed for several years and it has worked great with no problems.
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Bullet Bob wrote:
And...they STILL haven't answered your original question...LOL. Butt (TS&T), I will make a feeble beginning effort.
For a simple street driven cruiser I prefer the HiPo cast iron manifolds. They clear everything, are reasonably priced, and if treated to a bead blast and two coats of POR-15 Exhaust paint will look great for years.
Or, a lot of guys on here go for various headers and the best fitting seem to be the JBA Shorties. I guess they are pricey but they are apparently the easiest to deal with in the early cars.
You mentioned Tri-Ys and other than hanging down in the dirt, if you are running EFI they will cause you to place the HEGOs a long way from the exhaust ports...and that isn't the best for closed loop operation from what I have read.
Okay, I got it going. Now people who know what they are talking about can chime in.
Good luck and If you go with the MegaSquirt let us know how it works out.
BB
JBAs generally fit well, but they will interfere with a Borgeson power steering system (they hit the box). They can be made to fit with some clearancing, but it sucks doing that on brand new headers. I've heard that the FPA headers clear without issue.
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I just installed FPA headers and a cable a few weeks ago. The FPAs fit very well and I installed them myself in about 20 minutes per side. There is sufficient clearance for the cable, but I used some DEI heat shield on the cable for some added "insurance".
The only fitment issue I've discovered with the FPAs (and this is on the 65-66 cars) is on the driver's side, it looks like once you bolt the pipe up to the collector, the pipe will hit the bracket next to the cross member that holds the end of the e-brake cable. Should be easily solvable by bending that bracket a little bit or relocating it slightly. In fact, that may be today's project!
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I have tri-Y headers and a DIY Borgeson power steering setup (see my how-to/tips post on it). I knew I was going to have to revise my headers due to the GT40P heads I'm running on my 302 (see my post on that if interested) so I bought cheap SS headers on ebay. I had to move e few tubes around due to the heads but non interfered with the Isuzu box whcih I used, which is the same one Borgeson uses. I also don't have any ground clearance issues. So I'm guessing that try-Y headers that are close to the original patterns will work.
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