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7/04/2019 7:31 PM  #1


 

7/04/2019 9:07 PM  #2


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

And no free shipping....hope you passed

 

7/05/2019 5:13 AM  #3


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

I'm curious what a Boss 429 NASCAR Mustang is?  The Mustang never raced in NASCAR because it wasn't an intermediate body car.  Ford ran the Torino in NASCAR.  The idea of the BOSS 429 was that Ford wanted to homologate the BOSS 429 engine for NASCAR use, but knew they'd never sell 500 examples of a BOSS 429 Torino.  Exploiting a loophole in the rules that did not specify that the 500 examples of the engine had to be installed in the same chassis Ford decided it was easier to sell 500 BOSS 429 Mustangs a year than 500 Boss 429 Torinos.  This allowed Ford to race the BOSS 429 in the Torinos, because they had sold 500 examples of the engine, and 500 examples of the chassis they wanted to use.  The BOSS 429 was an option on the Torino, so all the specific installation parts had factory part numbers and were legal, but my understanding is that only a handful were actually built. 

I used to think the BOSS 429 was an amazing car capable of amazing feats of speed until I talked to a guy who actually had one.  He bought it for next to nothing during one of the gas crunches.  He wanted to race it, but couldn't believe that in stock form it was turning mid 14 second ETs.  See, the cars were built to make the engine legal for racing, but it required shifting the engine forward a good bit to fit the Mustang engine bay (even with all the shock tower mods).  This made the car dangerous from a handling standpoint, so Ford severely detuned the engine in an attempt to make it safer.  In stock form the car was a bit of a dog, especially for what people thought it would be.  They took quite a bit of work to really make fast, and that required knowing the right people because all the speed secrets were pretty closely guarded, at least back then.  It was an interesting tale, and the car had long since been retired from racing as the guy's current race car was both not worth anything and much, much faster ('81 Mustang with a 351C that ran in the 8s). 

I still can't fathom the prices these cars, and their parts bring.  I'd much rather have a car that I am not afraid to drive, handles better, and is faster by using modern parts. 

 

7/05/2019 9:25 AM  #4


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

josh-kebob wrote:

And no free shipping....hope you passed

  Yeah I was hoping to find one a couple bucks cheaper...LOL  
 

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7/05/2019 12:48 PM  #5


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

Nascar Boss 429 was designated as such for being the first ones produced.  I don't remember all the details, but there were subtle engine differences.  Certain serial numbers.  Of course none ever saw a NASCAR track, but that is how they are denoted.
And to top it off, that export brace won't fit anything but a BOSS 429 with the modified shock towers.  Now, if you are converting your old T code with BOSS9 type shock towers, that is the part you need!


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/05/2019 3:28 PM  #6


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

Like a lot of stuff from this time period lore seems to have supplanted verifiable fact.  Its possible that at one point the term "NASCAR 429 engine" or some derivative thereof appeared on the window sticker, marketing literature, etc.  Whether this was done at all, for only the first cars produced under S engine code, or carried over into later production is unclear. 

According to what I found, the early engines were designated as S code and the later as T or A code.  The S code engines apparently had forged cranks, rods, and pistons.  They also had magnesium valve covers instead of aluminum.  They had no smog equipment as well, which begs the question how they were able to be sold to the public, unless it was under some sort of "off road use" designation that individual states simply ignored when tagging them for street use.  Again, some sources refute this claim and state that all had emissions equipment excepting specialty cars. 

These same engines also used a hydraulic cam that was basically done at 5,800RPM.  Not that it would have mattered much with only a 735cfm carb.  None of which was suitable for NASCAR use.  They also had serious problems with the connecting rods coming apart above 7,000RPM until they went to 12 point capscrews (I heard this first hand from the guy I knew that had one).  Some sources claim that they used smaller intake valves as well.  Compression was about 10.5:1, which seems high today, but for a race engine of the time and its intended RPM range it needed to be more like 12:1. 

 

7/06/2019 7:24 PM  #7


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

I knew better than to say anything...


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

7/06/2019 7:36 PM  #8


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

MS wrote:

I knew better than to say anything...

You'll catch on....eventually.

 

7/06/2019 10:28 PM  #9


Re: I was looking at export braces for 69 Mustang and came accross this

I got $20 that says he won't.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

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