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7/11/2019 7:47 PM  #1


MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Took my 69 Mustang in to get the AC charged after the new install of Vintage Air.  What a big disappointment.   The system would not take the R134a charge.  The Low side is pulling into vacuum and the high side is max 130 psi.  The shop owner called Vintage Air and they said  the lines could be clogged or Air expansion valve is stuck.  It was such a PIA to install this thing I really don't want to pull it out again.  So I picked up the car and brought it home.  I don't see any way of pulling the air expansion valve without pulling it out.  Im going to call Vintage Air tomorrow and see what they say.  Everything was new including the lines.   Any ideas on what I should do?

Thanks
Steve69

 

7/11/2019 9:21 PM  #2


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

I would drop back 10 and punt. Remember the law - cost twice as much... Also, Murphy will make sure that the fix will involve undoing all that you have done with your installation. Hope the VA techs can help..... Is there a way to backflush the system to clear the lines?

Last edited by Ron68 (7/11/2019 9:23 PM)


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

7/11/2019 9:56 PM  #3


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

It's times like these when you start asking yourself....."self, do I really NEED this frustration and this kinda grief from an expensive hobby like these Mustangs?"  Then you got people that sell you stuff that obviously was NOT tested or checked and they got THEIR money!
Take a few days off.................Punish that bad-bad Mustang by parking it in a hot garage.....ALONE!
When you come back in a few days things will look different.
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7/12/2019 5:51 AM  #4


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

A couple of thoughts:

Did they vac down the system before trying to charge it?

Are you 100% sure the lines are all hooked up right?

What compressor does the system use?

 

7/12/2019 10:16 AM  #5


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Thanks for the info guys.  I haven't taken a hammer to it just yet...LOL     I called VA this morning and he said there is some crap in the line or its that expansion valve.  He said they rarely see expansion valve's go out.  He said he would send me one out.  I did cut my on lines TKO and take them to a shop to crimp them.  The diagram on the hose routing wasn't very good on the pump in the instructions.  But all the hose fittings seemed to fit exactly where they need to go. They were size specific for where they needed to be.  Here's pic of the compressor and hose routing.  The lower hose on firewall goes to condenser.  The upper hose goes to Compressor.  Looks like that might be the pressure hose.  Has a cap on it to connect charging unit to.  The hose on the left of the compressor goes to condenser.  Im going to try to get at that expansion valve without removing the unit.  I think if I remove the Dash pad there might be enough room.  We'll see.   Thanks Steve69

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7/12/2019 12:47 PM  #6


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

did it sit open for a period of time  ? no 134 a in it now , if none take a bottle of nitrogen and blow back through the suction line. you should get flow out the liquid line if you do get flow try making and adapter and blow through liquid line  if it flows check else ware , Is compressor 134 a and the oil in it the same ? if it was oil for an r12  it would gel up. By the way dont use compressed air, Put a regulator on your nitrogen bottle, Keep pressure around 100 psig  


If its worth doing do it right !
 

7/12/2019 3:19 PM  #7


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

I'm certainly following this thread. Wishing you well Steve.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

7/12/2019 7:17 PM  #8


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Check the home made lines first individually one at a time, it's real easy to cut the inside of the hoses and make a "check valve"  when installing the ends. A lot of the time the hose will flow one way and be restricted in the other. The above suggestions are good ones. I am surprised the expansion valve is on the inside of the car.


70, ragtop 351W/416 stroker Edel Performer heads w pro flow 4, Comp roller 35-421-8. T5
 

7/12/2019 10:00 PM  #9


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Thanks for all the good info guys.  Im going to check the hoses first and make sure there's no issues.  Then go to check valve.  I think I might buy the $100 Ebay AC charger and vac system.  That will give me a good Idea if I actually fixed it before I waste the shops time taking it back to charge it.  Thanks again Steve69

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7/12/2019 10:04 PM  #10


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

KM wrote:

did it sit open for a period of time  ? no 134 a in it now , if none take a bottle of nitrogen and blow back through the suction line. you should get flow out the liquid line if you do get flow try making and adapter and blow through liquid line  if it flows check else ware , Is compressor 134 a and the oil in it the same ? if it was oil for an r12  it would gel up. By the way dont use compressed air, Put a regulator on your nitrogen bottle, Keep pressure around 100 psig  

  I kept everything capped until I installed that specific part.  The shop took the 134 out.  Only oil in the pump.  Thanks for the info!
 

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7/12/2019 11:33 PM  #11


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Steve69 wrote:

Thanks for all the good info guys.  Im going to check the hoses first and make sure there's no issues.  Then go to check valve.  I think I might buy the $100 Ebay AC charger and vac system.  That will give me a good Idea if I actually fixed it before I waste the shops time taking it back to charge it.  Thanks again Steve69

 Hate to hear you are having troubles. Hope it’s an easy fix. I picked up a set of AC gauges from Harbor Freight a couple of years ago for about $60 and they have worked well. Advance Auto and Autozone will rent vacuum pumps for the cost of the unit and return it when you are done with it. It’s not worth the cost to keep forever. I ask for a new pump each time. If it’s a used vac pump they have on hand, make sure it has oil in the site glass. I’ve gotten a couple of them home with no oil in the site glass.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

7/13/2019 9:20 AM  #12


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

I've been wondering which a/c system to get.  I wonder if there's a way to check the expansion valve before installation?


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7/20/2019 7:34 PM  #13


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

*****I got AC now***  So I took all the lines off and blew them out.  They were all fine.  No dirt or clogs.  So I put some air in between the AC lines that come out of the firewall.  There was no flow and air wouldn't circulate through.  So I figured it must be the expansion valve.  So I tried getting at it in the car.  I could touch it but there was no way to do it right or even get a wrench on it.  So I pulled the heater out and put it on the bench.  I took off the hard lines and on the pressure hose there was this rubber stop in about a half inch in the line.  There was no way I would see it when I put the lines on it.  I pulled it out a bit for the pic.  So my advice before installing the hard lines run a screw driver in the tube to make sure there is no restrictions.  I bought a evacuator and gauge kit on Ebay for $90.  That did pretty well.  I don't think the gauges are accurate.  Seemed a lot lower when pressurizing the system. I wasn't really sure if Freon was going in.  The valve that was on the Freon can was not the greatest.  I had to move the twist handle around and finally found a good spot where the Freon would come out of the can. The youtube videos were helpful too.  So my unit takes 28 oz. So I added 3  12 oz cans but I think I might of got only a few ozs in on one can.   So I think I was close to the 28 oz.  Seem really cool inside.  Thanks for the help!  Now to get rid of this vibration in the axle when coasting.  Steve69

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7/20/2019 9:03 PM  #14


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

It sucks that you had to pull it all back apart but glad you found the problem. It’s a lesson to all of us to check everything, even if it is new.

I have figured out that all cans of refrigerant are not created equal. Most have the metal top that gets punctured with the twist in punch, works great on ththe car, not a long shelf life fo the part of a can that doesn’t get used. I bought some cans from Home Depot awhile back that had some type of membrane where the ouch goes through, added a lot to partial can shelf life, but made it wicked miserable to get it out of the can and into the car, I now avoid those cans.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

7/21/2019 7:05 PM  #15


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Bolted to Floor wrote:

I have figured out that all cans of refrigerant are not created equal. Most have the metal top that gets punctured with the twist in punch, works great on ththe car, not a long shelf life fo the part of a can that doesn’t get used. I bought some cans from Home Depot awhile back that had some type of membrane where the ouch goes through, added a lot to partial can shelf life, but made it wicked miserable to get it out of the can and into the car, I now avoid those cans.

All new cans of 134a now have the rubber seal on top. You must purchase a $3 adapter to use these new rubber seal cans with the old metal seal piercing valve.
 

Last edited by Texas! (7/21/2019 8:06 PM)

 

7/21/2019 7:51 PM  #16


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Texas! wrote:

Bolted to Floor wrote:

I have figured out that all cans of refrigerant are not created equal. Most have the metal top that gets punctured with the twist in punch, works great on ththe car, not a long shelf life fo the part of a can that doesn’t get used. I bought some cans from Home Depot awhile back that had some type of membrane where the ouch goes through, added a lot to partial can shelf life, but made it wicked miserable to get it out of the can and into the car, I now avoid those cans.

All new cans of 134a now have the rubber seal on top. Use must purchase a $3 adapter to use these new rubber seal cans with the old metal seal piercing valve.
 

I guess I won’t avoid them for long.  I didn’t know they had made a change. John Warley sent me a note telling me about the adapter too, I will have to pick one up. Thanks guys.
 
 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

7/22/2019 9:58 AM  #17


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Im just glad its working and I got a AC recharge system too that I can use down the road for my other cars.

Thanks
Steve

Bolted to Floor wrote:

It sucks that you had to pull it all back apart but glad you found the problem. It’s a lesson to all of us to check everything, even if it is new.

I have figured out that all cans of refrigerant are not created equal. Most have the metal top that gets punctured with the twist in punch, works great on ththe car, not a long shelf life fo the part of a can that doesn’t get used. I bought some cans from Home Depot awhile back that had some type of membrane where the ouch goes through, added a lot to partial can shelf life, but made it wicked miserable to get it out of the can and into the car, I now avoid those cans.

 

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7/22/2019 10:13 AM  #18


Re: MustangSteve Law still in force today.

Steve69 wrote:

Im just glad its working and I got a AC recharge system too that I can use down the road for my other cars.

Thanks
Steve

Bolted to Floor wrote:

It sucks that you had to pull it all back apart but glad you found the problem. It’s a lesson to all of us to check everything, even if it is new.

I have figured out that all cans of refrigerant are not created equal. Most have the metal top that gets punctured with the twist in punch, works great on ththe car, not a long shelf life fo the part of a can that doesn’t get used. I bought some cans from Home Depot awhile back that had some type of membrane where the ouch goes through, added a lot to partial can shelf life, but made it wicked miserable to get it out of the can and into the car, I now avoid those cans.

 

I'm glad you got it figured out! Def need AC right now

What AC recharge/evac kit did you grab off eBay?
 

 

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