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7/21/2013 10:15 PM  #1


removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

anyone have experience removing these?  What's the best method: plasma cutter, blue tip wrench, ???

looking at options right now......for more engine compartment room......

 

7/21/2013 11:12 PM  #2


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

http://www.mustangmonthly.com/howto/mump_0902_how_to_replace_shock_towers/viewall.html
j-kb if you really need room between the shock towers, a much better alternative to a MII or double wishbone IFS is to use a unistrut IFS. There are several mfgrs, Gateway, Fatman, RRS to name a few.
Double Wishbone isn't really suited to the partial subframe semi-monocoque unibody, found in our Stangs. You can Use Dynacorn's new notched shock tower http://www.kelcorautosports.com/data/default/images/catalog/400/3631HA.jpg
Take weight off the front suspension, have a better handling car, better brakes, cheaper than with the MII IFS.
I mean now would oleUnkTubo lead you astray??
I ask Ya now Tubo to j-kb??


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

7/22/2013 4:50 AM  #3


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

I used a plasma on mine, but the torch set would work as well. And by all means stick with the double wish bones which is more like your original stuff. Struts are for cheapy new cars that are assembled cheap!! The MII set up is quite good and works well. I have the adjustable ride height threaded shocks on mine and they work great. I did add a brace on mine from the firewall to the front of the frame rail. It is a piece of tubing that I use for my wireway also. Keeps the wires hidden. If you get the bolt in panels to close the fender well area with the kit, your front will be quite stiff. Think about extending your sub-frame connectors forward to the reinforced pieces that you weld on the frame rails as a reinforcement. You are going to love all that room under the hood!

 

7/22/2013 11:12 AM  #4


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

thanks all.......double wish bone set up is what i'm considering.....gonna have to measure again to ensure it'll work for an LS1 conversion......especially hate to do surgery only to find the engine won't fit...

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7/23/2013 6:41 AM  #5


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

josh-kebob wrote:

....gonna have to measure again to ensure it'll work for an LS1 conversion.........

Is this April 1st?


66 Vert.  4.6 DOHC, 4R70 Auto, Heidt's M2 frontend
 

7/23/2013 7:40 AM  #6


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

I was looking at my Bro In laws 2010 Camaro SS Engine and I dont know a lot about them but I was supprised at how narrow it was.  To me it didn't look any bigger than a 351.

Steve69

 

7/23/2013 8:10 AM  #7


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Ah yes, Josh K Bob, our own Baron Von Munchausen

 

7/23/2013 5:33 PM  #8


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

no, no joke...........LS1 may be in the cards....looking at options.....easily than that coyote thingy....

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7/23/2013 6:04 PM  #9


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

josh-kebob wrote:

no, no joke...........LS1 may be in the cards....looking at options.....easily than that coyote thingy....

If you want easy, those LS motors bolt right into Camaros.
 

 

7/23/2013 7:06 PM  #10


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

josh-kebob wrote:

thanks all.......double wish bone set up is what i'm considering......

The MII dbl wishbone IFS stresses the Mustang in ways it isn't designed to be stressed.
which is why I reccomend Unistrut over the M2.  Unistrut fits into the  unibody's monocoque, dosen't require chopping the car up, and is less expensive to install.
All of which is why j-kb's ol'buddy Tubo, reccomends the Unistrut, not cos I'm a fan boy.

Tubo


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

7/24/2013 1:18 PM  #11


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Tubo wrote:

josh-kebob wrote:

thanks all.......double wish bone set up is what i'm considering......

The MII dbl wishbone IFS stresses the Mustang in ways it isn't designed to be stressed.
which is why I reccomend Unistrut over the M2.  Unistrut fits into the  unibody's monocoque, dosen't require chopping the car up, and is less expensive to install.
All of which is why j-kb's ol'buddy Tubo, reccomends the Unistrut, not cos I'm a fan boy.

Tubo

Alright that's the second time I've seen that word used in this post.  "Monocoque" I was going to let it slide the first time cuz I was too lazy to look it up, butt(TS) now I'm gonna have to see what the heck that means.

JKB pls don't put no Chevy motor in a Mustang.

PS Damn my heads about to explode
 


66 Vert.  4.6 DOHC, 4R70 Auto, Heidt's M2 frontend
 

7/24/2013 4:58 PM  #12


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

monocoque: a type of vehicle construction inwhich the body is intergral with the chassis....

yep a bow tie engine runs better than a blue oval thus, the reason for selectiong it........

 

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7/24/2013 8:45 PM  #13


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

JKB!!  DUDE!!  BUDDY O MINE!!!  YELLOWBIRD!!!  you seriously needs to move back to St. Ignace cause that Texas sun is cookin yo brain!!

One thing that sickens me is when I walk up to a really nice Ford at a carshow and see someone muck it up with a Chevy engine and generally they say its cheaper!!  well if you cant afford it DONT DO IT!!  just my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!

 

7/24/2013 9:18 PM  #14


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

josh-kebob wrote:

monocoque: a type of vehicle construction inwhich the body is intergral with the chassis....

yep a bow tie engine runs better than a blue oval thus, the reason for selectiong it........

 

Humph.....Boyah, Ya needs a Coyote 5.0!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque

Tubo


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

7/24/2013 10:41 PM  #15


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

josh-kebob wrote:

yep a bow tie engine runs better than a blue oval thus, the reason for selectiong it........ 

Debatable...and some things just aren't meant to be done.
 


'66 Fastback since July 27, 1981. Springtime Yellow, originally a 200 cu in, 4 speed. Also a '92 LX Coupe, 5.0, 5 speed.
 

7/25/2013 8:02 AM  #16


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Don't know about the bow tie thing, but if you need the room under the hood the MII setup if only way to go on an early Mustang. It keeps the dynamics of the car more like original which is darn good. I know of a lot of MII conversions with a lot of miles on them with no problems. Some do have reinforcements some do not. Mine has a 1.5 OD .095 wall piece of tube running along the inner fender at top of apron from fire wall forward then down to front frame rail. I run all my wiring through it so I don't have wires all over the place under the hood. The ones I know of that are street cars do not have any braces and still look great and drive line a modern car. They still handle great like the original with the Shelby drop. I like MS's approach with the notched shock towers if that can work.
I do know a little about the LS stuff, my daily driver has an LS3 at 436 HP. My little 331 cube Ford powered Mustang will show it tail lights though.

 

7/25/2013 3:28 PM  #17


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

DC wrote:

...if you need the room under the hood the MII setup if only way to go on an early Mustang.

 
Nope, it ain't the only way. I dispute my fellow FYI'ers allegation.
It is A way, NOT the only way

DC wrote:

.....It keeps the dynamics of the car more like original which is darn good.

IDK how you get to figuring that!?!?  As it is, other than bein Ford Built, Ab-soo-lute-ly Nothing like the origional, from structural engineering, to geometry.
However I do think,"It's real nice your so happy bout the Dbl Wishbone." That just don't mean Everah Body has gots to be. Which is why God caused Ford to make so many Mustangs. So's we can each choose how we want ours to be done.
Anywho and besides which, Pore Ol'Josh iz "tetched in the head", and don't no more foolishness stuffed into hiz noggin. The Rascal has got a surfeit of it, already.

Tubo


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

7/25/2013 5:11 PM  #18


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Tubo wrote:

Anywho and besides which, Pore Ol'Josh iz "tetched in the head", and don't no more foolishness stuffed into hiz noggin. The Rascal has got a surfeit of it, already.

Tubo

Is that what it is he's "TETCHED IN THE HEAD" ?????? 

 

7/25/2013 6:04 PM  #19


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

It may be time for the Marine Mustangers to stage an intervention on Josh's behalf. Bowtie engine? Pffft!!!

 

7/25/2013 7:21 PM  #20


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

terry wrote:

Is that what it is he's "TETCHED IN THE HEAD" ?????? 

Yup!! I just read it on the internet, Soo it's got to be true.

Hornman wrote:

It may be time for the Marine Mustangers to stage an intervention on Josh's behalf.

Mr Tim, Ya hear that??

Tubo


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

7/25/2013 7:35 PM  #21


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

mr tim isnt listening!!  I thinks hes afraid of this here new forum format!!!

 

7/25/2013 7:43 PM  #22


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Bottom line is I gots two Mustangs a 95 with struts that I race (it is in the trailer now and I am heading out in the morn) and a 65 with the MII (used to be stock). I have to run 5+ degrees of negative camber on the 95 with struts to get the tires to work well. I run 1.25 degrees of negative camber on the 65 with the MII to get same results. The delightful camber curve on the double wishbones is awesome. Have you ever seen  an F1 car with struts? If the rules I race under would allow, I sould change the 95 in a flash. My street car that drives like a new one is actually faster than my race car. And it does not eat tires like the 5+ degrees of negative camber does on the race car.  The 65  was better stock than the strut car is in full race trim. Struts are just for grocery getters, so if that is your goal, by all means have at it. Oh, did I say they suck!

 

7/27/2013 10:56 AM  #23


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Tubo wrote:

DC wrote:

...if you need the room under the hood the MII setup if only way to go on an early Mustang.

 
Nope, it ain't the only way. I dispute my fellow FYI'ers allegation.
It is A way, NOT the only way

DC wrote:

.....It keeps the dynamics of the car more like original which is darn good.

IDK how you get to figuring that!?!?  As it is, other than bein Ford Built, Ab-soo-lute-ly Nothing like the origional, from structural engineering, to geometry.
However I do think,"It's real nice your so happy bout the Dbl Wishbone." That just don't mean Everah Body has gots to be. Which is why God caused Ford to make so many Mustangs. So's we can each choose how we want ours to be done.
Anywho and besides which, Pore Ol'Josh iz "tetched in the head", and don't no more foolishness stuffed into hiz noggin. The Rascal has got a surfeit of it, already.

Tubo

 The man wants a MII front end with an LS motor, lets get on board with it and give some encouragement, not try to talk him into a different direction.
You said it, there are lots of Mustangs, he can build it how he wants. 
 

 

7/27/2013 8:57 PM  #24


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Tubo wrote:

Do Y'all remember who we're talking about. j-kb!! the Loki Man.
Like I said ,"He's tetched in the head". , That Rascal will promote something,  just to get a discussion. Like DC done got persuaded into discussin with me.
 I'll bet he ain't even gonna move a shock tower, much less LS anything. BB give'em a warp, up side the gord. NO WAIT!! I fergot j-kb needs to chase some rears fer me,....Plz.
I still need Exploder & 99-04 Stang 8.8's.

Corky
(Loki....look up yer Viking Mythology)

Man, I'm going to have to start using Babelfish on some of this stuff...

 

7/27/2013 8:57 PM  #25


Re: removing shock towers re: 65 coupe......

Do Y'all remember who we're talking about. j-kb!! the Loki Man.
Like I said ,"He's tetched in the head". , That Rascal will promote something,  just to get a discussion. Like DC done got persuaded into discussin with me.
 I'll bet he ain't even gonna move a shock tower, much less LS anything. BB give'em a warp, up side the gord. NO WAIT!! I fergot j-kb needs to chase some rears fer me,....Plz.
I still need Exploder & 99-04 Stang 8.8's.

Corky
(Loki....look up yer Viking Mythology)


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

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