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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Add A/C to a '65 reusing factory under dash A/C housing? » 9/07/2024 11:58 AM

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Still have the original 1965 factory under dash A/C unit that has an exterior in good shape that I'd like to keep and reuse if possible as I think it looks better than most of the aftermarket units...

None of the other A/C parts are still with the car. Is there any straightforward way to purchase and add all of the other equipment, engine bracket, upgrade to r134a, etc. while reusing the original housing? 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 switched power - fuse box acc. female plug or ignition switch post? » 7/23/2021 11:06 AM

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MS wrote:

The one from the switch would be my choice. Reason is that it provides no power when cranking, so the pump won’t be drawing current while cranking the engine.

Thanks for the help. Wired it to the ignition switch post and seems to be working great.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 switched power - fuse box acc. female plug or ignition switch post? » 7/20/2021 11:01 AM

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Adding in an electric vacuum pump for better operation of my power brake booster and need switched power for part of the install. On a 1965, is it better to use the location at the fuse box (the triple female accessory plug wire), or the post at the back of the ignition switch? I'll add an inline fuse either way. 

Pump is also receiving constant power direct from battery (and has an inline fuse for that wire)

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 7/08/2021 12:55 PM

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wsinsle wrote:

Does the flickering seem to stop at higher RPM's like the Alt light? The alternator puts out a pulsing DC not a straight line DC. The battery tends to level out those pulses, closer to a straight line. Disconnect the battery after start and you may see the LED's pulse more (I never tried this not sure). The faster the alternator spins the closer the pulse peeks are together, this will also tends to make the DC closer to a straight line. One thing you could try is a capacitor from your dash light positive to ground, I'd say at least a 220uF or larger. Make sure it is rated over 15 volt. This wont fix the Alt light, as Bob said you can't use a LED there. I could splain this better if I could draw a pic.

Yep, all LED light flicker would stop (i.e., the LED lights cut off like they are meant to be) when held at 2000RPM or higher.  All the other instrument cluster LED lights besides the ALT light flicker so lightly that I can't see them unless I have the plastic socket hanging out to watch it. I also have LEDs wired into my courtesy lights and those don't flicker at all, so it seems to be isolated to the instrument cluster.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 7/08/2021 8:44 AM

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BobE wrote:

mustang6518 wrote:

Turns out it's something to do with the LED bulbs I have in the instrument cluster. When I swap in an incandescent for the ALT light, there's no more flickering. When I pulled it I also noticed a couple of the other LED bulbs were also doing the same flickering, it's just so faint I didn't notice until the bulb and plastic socket were pulled out of the cluster. Now to figure out how to fix these damn LEDs!

LEDs will not work properly in the alternator light circuit, you need to add a relay (BB has a sketch for this).
I've had issues with LED bulbs in the house flicking slightly, and replaced them, that ended the flickering.  I beleive the flickering is due to poor quality manufacturing of the bulbs.  I've had LEDs from "Super Bright LEDs" for my dash lights for the past couple of years w/o any issues.
 

I'm actually using the "Super Bright LEDs" bulbs currently and have very very slight flickering in all of them. I also have the same slight flickering in the special grounded turn signal indicator bulb I bought from vintageleds.com (for instrument cluster with only one turn signal indicator light). It's a mystery 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Erratic low vacuum reading at 12-15Hg help? (video) 302 on a 1965 » 7/07/2021 1:26 PM

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Anyone here good with vacuum readings to determine engine problems / vacuum leaks? Running a 20+ year old custom built 302 with unknown cam on a 65 Mustang and I'm getting a fast erratic 12-15 Hg vacuum reading (short video here). If I throttle up and hold it at 2000RPM, I get a slightly more steady 19-20 Hg reading (short video here). Any ideas what issue these readings indicate?

I tried spraying around some carb cleaner to see if idle picks up due to a vacuum leak and it didn't seem to do anything.

Reason I decided to check was I installed the Mustang Steve power brake pedal and booster a few months back (to replace a CSRP booster and stock pedal) and still haven't been able to get enough stopping power. Have gone through a huge amount of brake troubleshooting, and all that's really left seems to be this potential vacuum issue. Was considering adding in an electric vacuum pump, but want to make sure I've exhausted all other options first. 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 7/07/2021 9:32 AM

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Turns out it's something to do with the LED bulbs I have in the instrument cluster. When I swap in an incandescent for the ALT light, there's no more flickering. When I pulled it I also noticed a couple of the other LED bulbs were also doing the same flickering, it's just so faint I didn't notice until the bulb and plastic socket were pulled out of the cluster. Now to figure out how to fix these damn LEDs!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 7/06/2021 12:57 PM

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Nos681 wrote:

Do you have a condenser (capacitor) at voltage regulator and/or alternator?
Looks similar to one use for points.
There are female bullet connectors in harness.
Those are used to filter (smooth out) the rectified DC voltage from alternator.

What is your voltage at the fuse box?
Engine on and off?
How does it compare at the battery?

Replacing the brushes didn't work, so I replaced the alternator entirely with a rebuilt Motorcraft and I'm still getting the intermittent flickering.

When engine is off, voltage is 12.60 at the battery and 12.55 at the fuse box. With the engine on, the voltage is 14.33 at the battery and 14.28 at the fuse box. 

I don't have the condenser / suppressor at the alternator or at the voltage regulator. I was under the impression those were only for radio noise? Since I currently don't have a radio in the car I haven't replaced either of those. Do they have an effect beyond just the radio?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 6/27/2021 8:00 AM

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BobE wrote:

mustang6518 wrote:

BobE wrote:

​Based on what you've done, change, or adjust, the voltage regulator.
The alternator brushes could be worn down, you would need to identify how many miles is on the unit.  These brushes usually last a very, very long time. 
 

6sally6 wrote:

IF alt is making 13.7 - 14.3 amps that means its do'in its 'thang' sooooo...it must be the voltage regulator (my guess)
Looks like your results shows it won't leave you on the side of the road any time soon(maybe!).
Just eliminate the VR would be my next move.
You don't have points do you?
6sally6

Nope, I don't have points.

Just replaced the old unknown brand voltage regulator this morning with a Motorcraft GR540B and it doesn't seem to have helped. If I rev up and hold it at 2000RPM or above the light stops flickering (used to stop at 3000RPM or above), but otherwise there's no difference from the old voltage regulator. That RPM difference could also just be a fluke. Looks like taking a look at the alternator brushes is the next step?

Would the constant voltage regulator behind the instrument cluster have anything to do with it? I replaced it a couple years ago with one of the new Scott Drake solid state ones, so it should be fine (and the gauges otherwise work well)...

The CVU will have not have any effect on the Alt light.  The light circuit supplies +12v, from the ignition switch, to the field circuit of the alternator.  This allows to alternator to produce power to the vehicle.  The light goes out when the alternator is producing voltage.  As the voltage is the same on both sides of the light, the light goes out.
The alternator brushes could be the problem.  If you have a rebuilder nearby, they may be able to check the entire system.and pinpoint the issue.

Opened up the alternator today and one of the brushes fell apart in pieces -- guessing that was probably the problem. Ordered some new ones, so hopefully that solves this

Paint & Body » 65 Mustang Red interior spray paint - where to order from? » 6/27/2021 7:57 AM

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Need to repaint my interior quarter panels and trying to figure out where to order from. I ordered a can from CJ Pony Parts last month, but it didn't go well - partway through the can it seems like the semi-gloss stopped coming through and it started spraying out more "matte" paint. So the quarter panels came out really spotty with some glossy areas and some matte. Any suggestions on where to order from that is good quality?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 6/26/2021 1:37 PM

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BobE wrote:

​Based on what you've done, change, or adjust, the voltage regulator.
The alternator brushes could be worn down, you would need to identify how many miles is on the unit.  These brushes usually last a very, very long time. 
 

6sally6 wrote:

IF alt is making 13.7 - 14.3 amps that means its do'in its 'thang' sooooo...it must be the voltage regulator (my guess)
Looks like your results shows it won't leave you on the side of the road any time soon(maybe!).
Just eliminate the VR would be my next move.
You don't have points do you?
6sally6

Nope, I don't have points.

Just replaced the old unknown brand voltage regulator this morning with a Motorcraft GR540B and it doesn't seem to have helped. If I rev up and hold it at 2000RPM or above the light stops flickering (used to stop at 3000RPM or above), but otherwise there's no difference from the old voltage regulator. That RPM difference could also just be a fluke. Looks like taking a look at the alternator brushes is the next step?

Would the constant voltage regulator behind the instrument cluster have anything to do with it? I replaced it a couple years ago with one of the new Scott Drake solid state ones, so it should be fine (and the gauges otherwise work well)...

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 6/23/2021 9:18 AM

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6sally6 wrote:

To begin with..............was it doing this BEFOREthe silly-noid swao out?
Remove solenoid and sand and clean mounting point. (don't let 'just the mounting screw' do the grounding)
See what happens and report back....we'll finger-it out
6sally6

BobE wrote:

Nos681 wrote:

I would check battery voltage.

Off should be around 12.5 volts
Running should be about 14 volts

If it is starting okay now like normal, I would look at alternator and voltage regulator and wire connectors.

Start simple by checking all connections are corrosion free.

There is a wire from alternator that has a connection near battery tray that is a common problem too.

Hope this helps ya out.

If the battery hasn't run down over time, I would guess the alternator is fine and either a connection is intermittant and needs cleaning, or the voltage regulator is the problem.  As stated above the voltage with the engine not running should be about 12.6 volts, with the engine running the voltage should be between 13.7 and 14.3 volts.  On initial shart-up, the voltage will be higher and should drop off slowly (a few minutes) as the battery is replenished. 

Greg B wrote:

An old 65 I used to have had the flickering light. After checking it with a meter, tracing the problem turned out to be the voltage regulator.

Did a bit of troubleshooting, but haven't yet nailed down where the problem is. I did figure out that if I rev the engine to around 3000rpm or higher and keep it up there, the alternator light stops blinking. Maybe that could be a clue...  So far I've done the below:

Checked the battery voltage and it read at the correct levels given above
Sanded and cleaned the firewall mounting points for the solenoid
Double-checked alternator belt tightness - it's tight enough that I can't push the alternator fins to move with my fingers
Cleaned the contacts on the voltage regulator
Alternator wiring harness was replaced a few months back (no issues at the time,

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 6/20/2021 1:59 PM

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6sally6 wrote:

To begin with..............was it doing this BEFOREthe silly-noid swao out?
Remove solenoid and sand and clean mounting point. (don't let 'just the mounting screw' do the grounding)
See what happens and report back....we'll finger-it out
6sally6

It started right around the same time as replacing the solenoid - I actually couldn't get the car to start after not running it for a few months, and then it finally started but got hung and wouldn't stop cranking until I disconnected the battery, and replacing the solenoid fixed it. However, now that I can actually start it I get the blinking alternator light while driving. I just tried your suggestion, sanded down to clean metal around the solenoid mounting points, and unfortunately it doesn't seem to have fixed it Any other ideas?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 Mustang - flickering ALT dash light? » 6/19/2021 4:39 PM

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Replaced the solenoid recently due to some start-up issues, and everything seems to be working good except I have a flickering Alternator dash light. It just keeps quickly flickering (never fully lighting up) the whole time the engine is on. Here's a link to a short video clip showing the issue (https://imgur.com/d3UruWQ).

Any ideas what the issue could be / where to troubleshoot?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Mustang Noise Reduction » 6/13/2021 8:03 AM

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Just did dynamat and 1/2" dynaliner for my whole interior (1/8" in just a couple places), and installed one of the sheet metal dividers for the rear that was also layered with dynamat and dynaliner. Would love to see pics of your setup

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Any idea what this firewall hole/wire is for above the brake MC? » 6/10/2021 12:47 PM

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Got my interior back together, and have a leftover black bullet plug wire in the interior under my dash. It goes out the firewall via its own dedicated hole, above the master cylinder (circled in red here). Anyone know what this is for? The car was originally AC, but I don't have it installed any longer, so wondering if it was for that... 

Picture is below

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What thickness Dynaliner for floor pans and the hump? sound deadener » 5/16/2021 8:23 PM

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Don wrote:

 Research sound blocking.  Mass loaded vinyl blocks low frq and high density foam blocks high freq.

Dynamat is a vibration dampener  that then lowers car induced (from vib) noise .    

Yep, already have Dynamat laid down. Dynaliner is the foam that goes on top of the Dynamat, but it comes in several thicknesses, so trying to figure out the best thickness to buy to still have everything fit when it comes time to put it back together  

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What thickness Dynaliner for floor pans and the hump? sound deadener » 5/16/2021 6:23 PM

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What thickness Dynaliner (or other sound deadener) did you guys use for the floor pans and hump? I ordered 1/2" originally, which is probably fine for the floors, but I'm thinking now that it may be too thick for the center console to then fit on properly... Maybe size down to 1/4" for the hump? Can anyone speak to this who has done it before? I don't want to size down if it doesn't actually need it! Going in a 65 Mustang with Dynamat on everything already

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Interior floor pan rust treatment » 4/09/2021 6:02 PM

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TKOPerformance wrote:

Since its not exposed to UV light I'd think it would be fine without a topcoat.  I wouldn't bother with Evaporust before using the Master Series.  My guess would be that without some rust to convert you won't get a good bond.  Let the Metal Prep handle the rust conversion and act as a tie coat between the metal and the Silver coat. 

Got it. Any recommendations on seam sealer or can I go with just about anything? 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Interior floor pan rust treatment » 4/09/2021 1:18 PM

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Was thinking of going Master Series Metal Prep, then Master Series Silver. Is there any need to also do the Master Series AG111 top coat? Or would I be fine with just the 2 layers of MS Silver?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Interior floor pan rust treatment » 4/08/2021 5:17 PM

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Any suggestions for interior floor rust treatment? Pictures here from after an intial wire brushing to knock the loose rust off. Now planning to use Master Series Metal Prep, then Master Series Silver. Is the MS AG111 top coat really needed?

Rear drivers side floor pan has some small holes (included close-up), but all other rust currently present doesn't seem to be terrible. New front floor pans were welded in at one point. 

After I get this treated and cleaned up, planning to layer on some Dynamat Xtreme and then possibly Dynaliner for thermal shielding (unfortunately currently no working AC). 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 power brake - pedal pin relocation mod vs bolt-in pedal support kit » 3/13/2021 5:21 PM

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MS wrote:

Many customers have used the CSRP disc brake conversion using the MS power brake system with the revised pedal ratio.

Several forum members have them on their car.

Properly set up, it should provide 2” total pedal travel if everything is perfect.

I am always suspect of rear drum brakes being properly adjusted. A “slight drag” is often described. I prefer to adjust the brakes aa tight as can be done, then back off ten clicks.
A “slight drag” will always be felt before the brakes are tight as there is nothing to center the shoes inside the drum except when the brakes are applied. So you can get drag before adjustment is actually achieved.
IF you have them close, and IF your self-adjusters are in good shape, repeated hard braking WHILE IN REVERSE will allow the self-adjusters to take the slack out of the brake system.

Received the PB-5 kit and installed it today. Didn't get a chance to bleed the brakes yet (planning to do that in the morning), but when I tested the pedal there is a hissing sound that comes from under the dash/at the booster when I depress the brake pedal - is this normal? I didn't have that sound with the previous generic booster so a little worried 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 power brake - pedal pin relocation mod vs bolt-in pedal support kit » 2/18/2021 9:34 AM

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Cab4word67 wrote:

I did the CSRP brake conversion and ended up going with MS PB 5 kit and now my brakes in my 65 work just like a new car. I took the CSRP booster and we installed it in a 65 C10 with 4 wheel drums and he is supper happy as I am with my 65 mustang. It is as far as I know the only way to make the pedal a shorter throw and MS Fox booster gives you more clearance at the master. 
Very happy now
Chris 

 
That's great news. Were you able to use the master cylinder and/or the proportioning valve from the CSRP kit with the MS PB-5? I'm assuming you were running front disc/rear drum?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 power brake - pedal pin relocation mod vs bolt-in pedal support kit » 2/17/2021 8:57 PM

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MS wrote:

A bad internal booster valve can cause excessive travel. Through the years we have experience a couple that had to be replaced.

I do wish it was that! The kit maker sent me a replacement booster thinking the same thing - unfortunately no improvement swapping it out (though it's only a 7" booster, not sure how big a difference that makes).Only thing I can guess at this point is somehow air is still in the lines (Motive pressure bleeder coming in the mail to do another bleed), the pedal ratio problem, or bad MC is also an option I guess. How much slack does the new pedal/relocated pin (PB-5/PB-2) generally take out -- do you often run into folks with this much pedal travel trying to fix it?

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