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8/07/2013 10:34 AM  #1


Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

For those of you not familiar with the term resonance harmonics it has to do with vibration and sound.  If you hold a piece of exhaust pipe (or almost any object) and strike it, the tone it produces is at a specific frequency.  If you can put sound into the object at that same frequency the object will begin to vibrate more intensely and produce a louder sound of its own.  This is exactly what is happening on my Galaxie.  At 2000 RPM the frequency f the exhaust and the engine match and the exhaust begins to build up a tone.  The longer I hold at 2000 RPM the louder to tone becomes.  The immediate solution is to increase or decrease my RPMs to mismatch the frequencies and eliminate the tone.  Problem is given my current gearing 2000 RPMs happens at several common speed limits so I hear the tome often and if I am going the speed limit not varying my speed it is constant and builds in intensity.  I am already going to change out my gearing which should make 2000 RPMs something I pass through rather than hold at but if there is something I can also do to the exhaust to help eliminate the problem I would love to here about it.


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8/07/2013 10:46 AM  #2


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Is swear by these things,, Steve is going to use them on his 427 hybrid

http://www.dynomax.com/press_releases/dynomax%C2%AE-introduces-revolutionary-drone-free-muffler.html
 

 

8/07/2013 11:21 AM  #3


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

thanks for the link but I do not want to change the mufflers.  I love the sound (when it is drone free) of the mufflers I put on it.


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8/07/2013 11:42 AM  #4


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Are you running an H-pipe?  That effectively changes pipe lengths and can cut out some of what you are experiencing.  You can also install a "resonator" just before the tail pipe exit that helps to kill the amplification.

 

8/07/2013 11:46 AM  #5


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

"I LIKE THE SOUND BUT WANT SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS DIFFERENT".   Sounds like something I would come up with...

No suggestions other than the VT Mufflers.  I did not want to risk the drone so changed my plan to use them.  They are basically straight through when the valve opens.

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8/07/2013 11:59 AM  #6


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

MustangSteve wrote:

"I LIKE THE SOUND BUT WANT SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS DIFFERENT".   Sounds like something I would come up with...

The thing is I love the over all sound, not to loud, a little crackel like a glaspack and a little low rumble like a turbo.  If I could go from 1900 RPMs directly to 2100 RPMS this would not be an issue at all  


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8/07/2013 12:58 PM  #7


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

So how about that H-pipe?

 

8/07/2013 1:33 PM  #8


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

change the length of your exhaust pipe.  You can try both lengthening and shortening. You will have to play around a bit to get a proper length to remove the resonance and still have the looks you want.  You can also change the diameter of the after-muffler pipe.


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8/07/2013 2:15 PM  #9


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

This is a low cost fix.
 Get a18"x 10" inch  piece of expanded metal, the kind that is used for plastering over and roll it up over a broom stick. You will end up with with a rolled mesh tube that you can stuff into one of the mufflers.
This works, I have done it on my 05 Mustang to cure the drone.
 There is virtually no back pressure but it seems to change the resonance point.
 


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8/07/2013 2:56 PM  #10


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Hey Daze, is this the pipes you uploaded the image of awhile back with all the welded angles and no real bends?


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8/07/2013 4:01 PM  #11


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

I know that Ford controlled the problem on 5.0's by using two different length mufflers.

maybe a shorter, or longer muffler of the exact same type you have.   That should change your tuning fork.


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8/07/2013 4:56 PM  #12


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

I once read a fine article about the wave form generated by small ford engines in particular, and how the wave length happen to ring our exhaust systems, (not simply the muffler, but everything behind the exhaust manifold), like a bell.  It explained that running a pipe between the left and right side, perpendicular to the flow, but not penetrating the system, would very effectively change the harmonic of the pipes.  So say for example, you have dual exhaust, and emulate an H-pipe just in front of the fuel tank, or in front of the rear axle.  Just tacking it between the pipes, uninvolved in the flow, changes the harmonic of the pipes.

I suppose if you wanted to test this without going to the trouble of tacking in a "dead flow" chunk of pipe, you could take a heavy c-clamp, or several pair of large vice grips clamped along your pipe somewhere and change the vibrating characteristics similarly.  I'd be curious to know you yours turns out!

Lance

 

8/07/2013 5:20 PM  #13


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Changing mufflers will do little to combat exhaust drone. Everything has a natural resonant frequency. If something (the expansion of air from the combustion process) excites the sound waves inside the exhaust system, and that excitation equals the natural resonant frequency of the exhaust system, the system will, in essence, become an amplified speaker for that tone (perceived as an annoying drone to the driver/occupants of the vehicle).

Here's a more scientific explanation of what's going on and a formula to calculate when this will occur and how to make a resonator to help reduce, or possibly eliminate, the drone.

http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/gm-engine-exhaust-performance-21/how-build-exhaust-resonator-tube-eliminate-drone-489463/

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8/07/2013 5:21 PM  #14


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

GPatrick wrote:

So how about that H-pipe?

exhaust has an x pipe


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8/07/2013 7:23 PM  #15


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

I was suggesting trying to change the length of 1 muffler to change harmonics.   Changing both would accomplish nothing, except for maybe changing the frequency (rpms) at which it happens.  I was just stating that is one way Ford (somewhat successfully) did to deal with exhaust drone for many years.   

You would certainly have some room under there to try the resonating chamber idea.    Seems to be successful.  You do not have to have it perpendicular.  You could make two resonating chambers, 1 for each pipe, and run them with the exhaust.   Found several examples in web searches.

Seems to me the problem with aftermarket mufflers is most of them are chambered.  Im sure that has a lot to do with why building a countering chamber seems to work so well.  



 


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8/07/2013 7:54 PM  #16


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

The valve in the VT mufflers seems to work very well in Don's mufflers on his 66 GT.  It eliminated his drone issues.  I think the variable nature of the valve system is what makes it work.

Like so many gearheads out there, if I cannot see it, then it is not real, but it is coming more apparent there are higher tech answers to many questions.  I like the idea of the separate chamber pipes, kind of like Ford does on the air intakes to the engines.  But you have to be fairly high tech and do some experimentation to figure that stuff out...  I am glad to see some of you are stepping out of the old methods and into new territory.  I am listening to see what happens.


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8/08/2013 5:33 AM  #17


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Maybe the trick is to not change the free air resonanance of the exhaust, but minimizing the resulting drone into the cabin.   We've all seen those pucks that some manufacturers bolt onto the transmissions of certain vehicles to snub powetrain vibrations,  why not try clamping various weights at certain points along the exhuast, sort of like putting a "thumb" on the system to quiet it?

John

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8/08/2013 11:04 AM  #18


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Greg B wrote:

maybe a shorter, or longer muffler of the exact same type you have.   That should change your tuning fork.

worst part is the thing looks like a tuning fork.


 


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8/08/2013 1:10 PM  #19


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Daze wrote:

Greg B wrote:

maybe a shorter, or longer muffler of the exact same type you have.   That should change your tuning fork.

worst part is the thing looks like a tuning fork.


 

 


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8/08/2013 1:35 PM  #20


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Don wrote:

My  "hero" now that's what Im taking about,, oops I mean the steering linkage   just like I like it
 

ya that was before I rebuilt the control valve.  Does this look a little better?


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8/08/2013 6:13 PM  #21


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

I am surprised to see a slave cylinder power steering on that big car !!! 

I don't get out much...


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8/08/2013 6:39 PM  #22


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Daze wrote:

Don wrote:

My  "hero" now that's what Im taking about,, oops I mean the steering linkage   just like I like it
 

ya that was before I rebuilt the control valve.  Does this look a little better?

Did that Mustang valve turn out to be useful?


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8/08/2013 9:00 PM  #23


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

McStang wrote:

Did that Mustang valve turn out to be useful?

The internals were a bit rough but the body was in excellent shape and was the main part I was after.  thanks again.
 


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8/09/2013 9:45 AM  #24


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Daze, I like what GPatrick and GregB said.  In the late '50s and into the '60s, Ford used "resonaters" on their exhaust systems, in addition to the muffler.  I would think they knew what they were doing.  Those old cars with 390 FEs making large HP did not drone.  As to what GP and GB were saying, I think if you change one exhaust, aft of the X pipe, it should change the tendency to drone.  On that Gal, you have plenty of room to add a resonater behind the rear axle.  One could easily be made from an piece of old drive shaft cut to the length you need, with pipes welded to both ends, as an example. 
Just thinking out loud.
Good Luck.

 

8/10/2013 4:05 PM  #25


Re: Any one have a fix for resonance harmonics in your exhaust??

Is it because your pipes are "joined" and welded together?????
Try H pipe

 

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