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3/07/2021 5:55 PM  #1


broke in the cam today

And fried the motor Im sure. 230-250 degs.  My new FPA headers were glowing, and I melted a couple wires, they weren't the best but I thought they would do tell Monday, guess not. . Then I blew antifreeze all over the engine. It was a lovely day


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3/07/2021 6:18 PM  #2


Re: broke in the cam today

I feel your pain...


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3/07/2021 7:13 PM  #3


Re: broke in the cam today

Need to do some 'autopsy' work fer sure.
was the water pump working?
fan blowing on the radiator
condition of radiator
oil getting to top end
valve lash

sorry to hear the bad news......
6sal6


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3/07/2021 7:59 PM  #4


Re: broke in the cam today

My fear is i melted the valves. Now on a diferent note, with the 4 bad wires it starts up without touching the gas. just has a miss.  Could I of had a air bubble in it. Cap was on loose and I should of never had it on at  all i think.  Darn thing had 3 gallons of 50/50 in it  but I did forget to run the heater. After break in and after we decided that the head gaskets were on correctly we fired it up and was running it , it holds 180 spot on. We will see if tomorrow brings brighter skies when I get the new wires. I took out #1 plug and it looks new and clean. 


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3/07/2021 10:21 PM  #5


Re: broke in the cam today

Timing set properly?


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3/07/2021 11:14 PM  #6


Re: broke in the cam today

Well if it wasn't it is now. I have it at 8 deg now. fires up without touching the gas so it must be close. 


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3/08/2021 6:41 AM  #7


Re: broke in the cam today

You didn't hurt anything.  You just got over the temp at which it would boil over.  230-250 isn't really that hot.  Some newer engines don't even turn the fans on until 220.  Guys towing heavy can see a steady 230 or more for hours on end with no issues. 

Sounds like it was WAY lean to me.  Usually that's what glowing headers means. 

 

3/08/2021 9:16 AM  #8


Re: broke in the cam today

Thanks TKO, I talked to FPA and they will blast and redo the headers for me if I want. Not warranty but that's ok. They fit so darn easy I would not mind removing them and putting them back on. Never had a set so easy to install other than our bucket T.


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3/08/2021 9:50 AM  #9


Re: broke in the cam today

Pretty sure MS asked about timing because if it is too retarded then that'll make the engine run hot. I'd at least set it at 10.

As far as glowing headers that's indicative of a very lean situation which could also contribute to the engine running hot. You need to get your timing set properly and ensure that the engine has enough fuel.

 

 

3/08/2021 10:25 AM  #10


Re: broke in the cam today

If you have an electric fan, ensure that it is turning the correct way.  Or, it mechanical fan, ensure fan isn't installed backwards.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

3/09/2021 9:30 AM  #11


Re: broke in the cam today

motor was at 8 degs but i had a leaking intake gasket, think that is why it got so hot during the break in. and one dead new lifter. Motor didnt do well after 3 miles. Ran real good when it was running though. Broke two studs and fried one rocker so far. cant wait to see what comes up next. Drivers side looks perfect. 


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3/09/2021 9:49 AM  #12


Re: broke in the cam today

What kind of lift do you have on cam?

On my 289 heads after a rebuild many years ago, one stud broke.
Then a couple of years later on a hot day, a couple of others pulled part way out.
Thought I was driving a lawnmower.

Screw in ARP studs would be my advice.
I know it’s another expense.

Last edited by Nos681 (3/09/2021 9:52 AM)

 

3/09/2021 10:54 AM  #13


Re: broke in the cam today

Is this roller tip discolored?


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

3/09/2021 11:12 AM  #14


Re: broke in the cam today

 Springs are binding maybe? Also early 289 valves don't have a lot travel room before they start making contacting with stem seal (oem style). You can't get away with a much higher lift cam. They went to taller valves and covers later on to fix that problem. That might have started when the 302 was replacing 289 in 67. Just not sure when.

 

3/09/2021 11:35 AM  #15


Re: broke in the cam today

Chris............
Give us a blow-by-blow of what you have....again. 289?   roller cam?   screw in studs?   How did you install the intake gasket?
                         The more details....the better our 'guesses'! 
Don't let it get you down
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3/09/2021 2:01 PM  #16


Re: broke in the cam today

Something is really wrong with your valve train geometry. What method did you use to adjust the valves? When you say dead lifter is it collapsed?

 

3/09/2021 2:36 PM  #17


Re: broke in the cam today

As has been previously said; Spring Bind, although I would expect the bind to pull the studs and not break them off.


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

3/09/2021 4:03 PM  #18


Re: broke in the cam today

Are the roller rockers you're using NOT require pushrod guide plates?


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

3/09/2021 4:29 PM  #19


Re: broke in the cam today

That broken stud is what's concerning.  I've seen plenty of press in studs pull out, but I don't think I've ever seen a broken stud, other than if the rocker was torqued while the valve was supposed to be open.  This maybe could kill a lifter too...

How did you lash the valves?

 

3/09/2021 7:44 PM  #20


Re: broke in the cam today

Ok and thanks everyone. Just a side note the passenger side got HOT very very hot , the drivers side is fine and looks normal. Here are my specs that I know. It ran very nice until it came apart. was running 2500-2800 RPMs at 180 deg and came off the hwy after a short run.  
66 289 rebuild. Valve lash was done on the stand and all were brought down till they were just ready to not spin, Then after rolling over 3 full times and only ajusting any loose ones I added 1/2 turn. Motor was primed with a dril and I got 50 PSI and oil out of all but the one that was burned, but it didnt break. just 2 exhusts studs broke. It got HOT on the right bank. May have also had a air pocket? And I now suspec a leaking intake gasket. Installed dry with silicone for the ft & back.  and am thinking of useing Copper Coat next time in the intake seals?
9.5 to 1 pistons, stock crank .020 under, Balanced, decked,  polished rods hardened shot penned all that needed stuff, mild cam 475 L 260 D 108 LS 40 overlap Ex D 212 In D 212
edlebrock performer 289, edlebrock 1403 (500) rods bumped up 4% on cruise and 8% on power. 
Stock heads were ported on exhaust side, stock push rods landing in the center of the valves. Screw in studs, with Crain roller tip self alining rockers like stock ones. FPA headers. Here is a pic of the drivers side

 

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3/09/2021 8:06 PM  #21


Re: broke in the cam today

Sorry you are having this issue. Hope you get it sorted quickly.

 

3/10/2021 12:28 AM  #22


Re: broke in the cam today

Bout all you can do is pull the head on the broke stud side......check/replace lifter....ck cam lobes.....replace gaskets. (did you use the end gaskets on the intake OR did you use RTV on the china walls?)
6s6


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3/10/2021 7:16 AM  #23


Re: broke in the cam today

I think you had them too tight.  I don't use the spin method; I've found it unreliable.  I check up and down play.  Adjust until its snug, then 1/2 turn past.  The cam must obviously be on the base circle when adjusting each valve. 

 

3/10/2021 10:33 AM  #24


Re: broke in the cam today

I used silicone on the end walls.
Has anyone used the clips on the rockers to divert the oil and adjusted valve lash while running? That's how I always did my Chevy. I think that I mite need to do that this time even though it makes a mess. 


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3/10/2021 10:56 AM  #25


Re: broke in the cam today

I haven't used clips,  but I have used a cheap valve cover and cut a slot in it wide enough to give you access to the nut on the rocker but small enough so that the push rod end of the rocker is still covered by valve cover.  Works pretty well to keep the mess to a minimum when adjusting lash with the engine running.

Like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xCsRPxZ2SLw

 

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