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8/28/2022 4:57 PM  #1


Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

I bought all of the alignment pucks and a 70” alignment bar to check the housing I have in my build now.  Since I have all these cool things to play with I decided to start narrowing the extra 64 T-bird 9 inch axle I had. It will be narrowed to fit a 65/66 mustang.  I did not snap any pictures with the alignment bar and end pucks. I put it all together and just got tired and called it a night. 





 

8/28/2022 5:23 PM  #2


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Would it work for an 8"?  I think the axle bearings are the same, but can't remember about the carrier bearings.

 

8/28/2022 5:58 PM  #3


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

I made a similar set of alignment pucks for the 8.8 I narrowed for the Heap.  found a straight chunk of heavy wall tubing for the bar.  Worked just fine. 
Tom:  If the bearing pucks need to be different for an 8"....well, I know a guy with a couple of lathes.
 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

8/28/2022 10:03 PM  #4


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Nice!

 

8/29/2022 4:30 AM  #5


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

The end pucks are made to work with both large and small bearings ends.  If I needed or wanted to I could buy new ends in either small or big bearing sizes.  I opted to just reuse the BB ends. My thought is if I end up using it or even if I sold it, that upgraded axles would be bought anyways so why not leave the BB ends on it.  On the other hand if I did use SB ends one could use their stock 8 inch axles. 

I would have made the pucks on my buddy’s lath but I’m so busy I decided to buy them. If I need to make pucks for anything else I will.  The bar I got from the local steel supply store and it was only $45.  Had I ordered one online shipping would have $60.

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8/29/2022 4:44 AM  #6


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Bullet Bob wrote:

I made a similar set of alignment pucks for the 8.8 I narrowed for the Heap.  found a straight chunk of heavy wall tubing for the bar.  Worked just fine. 
Tom:  If the bearing pucks need to be different for an 8"....well, I know a guy with a couple of lathes.
 

Its a down the road project, but eventually I'll need to either narrow the existing 8" rear, or swap in something else.  Honestly an 8.8 would be a great option.  I already have all the tools to set one up.  With 31 spline axles and the other parts I have in my '89GT rear its stronger than a run of the mill 9". 

 

8/29/2022 6:19 AM  #7


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TKOPerformance wrote:

Its a down the road project, but eventually I'll need to either narrow the existing 8" rear, or swap in something else.  Honestly an 8.8 would be a great option.  I already have all the tools to set one up.  With 31 spline axles and the other parts I have in my '89GT rear its stronger than a run of the mill 9". 

I agree.  I fought howlie gears and an annoying vibration in the old 8" for years.  Then when we tore the car down for the "Major" I decided to try my hand at an 8.8 Explorer.  31 spline, Limited slip, disk brakes  and easy to set up.  Did the narrowing my self and with all new innards except the 3.55 gears I have $750 in it.  And with my stockish 5.0 I will likely never have to touch it again.   AND...its quiet as a mouse.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

8/29/2022 9:48 AM  #8


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Here’s a picture of the alignment bar and end puck. The piece of aluminum that’s clamped to the flange is used to measure the overall width.  It’s not clamped in the position I use it to measure from and when I do measure the width, I measure from the most outer point to make sure I’m square.   I know the bar and pucks do that but it’s an easier way to measure the width with no deflection in the tape measure over and around the center section.


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9/11/2022 12:37 PM  #9


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Was able to finish up the housing today.  I made it 52 inches wide instead of 52.25.   I did have issues with the pucks in the case sliding out.  So I took off the bearing caps and ran them on the flat stone I have.  That was enough to just keep those pucks in place.

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9/11/2022 1:48 PM  #10


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Looks like mighty fine work, Bob.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

9/11/2022 3:12 PM  #11


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Very nice work.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

9/12/2022 3:00 AM  #12


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Thanks. Should be doing bodywork not side projects but it was something I always wanted to do. I have another housing coming a buddy picked up for me that was only $50.  By the pictures I think it may be an early bronco housing so I may not touch it.

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9/12/2022 3:27 PM  #13


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

I have always been told to be sure the pucks/alignment rod rotate freely as all the welding is done to assure perfect alignment.

I am leaning towards Bullet’s solution if I ever work on the rear end again. It seems that a quiet 9” setup is no longer obtainable, even when you pay $200 additional for the latest design “stealth” quiet gears. I have had five sets of 9” gears in my car, all from well known and various name brand vendors. Every one made noise except the 3.0 set I bought from Phil at 9” nodular. He used to post on here, but I have been unable to locate him in the last ten years.


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9/15/2022 11:42 AM  #14


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

MS wrote:

I have always been told to be sure the pucks/alignment rod rotate freely as all the welding is done to assure perfect alignment.

I am leaning towards Bullet’s solution if I ever work on the rear end again. It seems that a quiet 9” setup is no longer obtainable, even when you pay $200 additional for the latest design “stealth” quiet gears. I have had five sets of 9” gears in my car, all from well known and various name brand vendors. Every one made noise except the 3.0 set I bought from Phil at 9” nodular. He used to post on here, but I have been unable to locate him in the last ten years.

 
Yes I made sure I could spin the alignment bar as I welded the ends on.  I really expected the ends to move but they didn’t.  Maybe it’s because I took my time welding them and placed tack welds at 12-6-3-9 and then tacked the other end the same way. Then I put a small tack weld between those tack welds and would then weld up each small section and would move side to side then opposite of the last weld then back to side to side and so on.

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9/15/2022 3:38 PM  #15


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

I remember reading years ago about how they track preped cars in the '60s, and somebody said you could only align the front end with a solid rear axle.  One of the old timers said that wasn't true.  They used to heat and quench the tubes to gain camber in the rear.  He said the splines would tolerate over 1 degree of camber at the wheel and still slip into the diff.  I wish I cold remember who it was that was being quoted, but I remember thinking that was wild.  Those guys really did whatever it took to win!

 

9/16/2022 10:06 AM  #16


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TKOPerformance wrote:

I remember reading years ago about how they track preped cars in the '60s, and somebody said you could only align the front end with a solid rear axle.  One of the old timers said that wasn't true.  They used to heat and quench the tubes to gain camber in the rear.  He said the splines would tolerate over 1 degree of camber at the wheel and still slip into the diff.  I wish I cold remember who it was that was being quoted, but I remember thinking that was wild.  Those guys really did whatever it took to win!

Prolly Smokey Yunick.........
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9/17/2022 3:42 AM  #17


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

6sally6 wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

I remember reading years ago about how they track preped cars in the '60s, and somebody said you could only align the front end with a solid rear axle.  One of the old timers said that wasn't true.  They used to heat and quench the tubes to gain camber in the rear.  He said the splines would tolerate over 1 degree of camber at the wheel and still slip into the diff.  I wish I cold remember who it was that was being quoted, but I remember thinking that was wild.  Those guys really did whatever it took to win!

Prolly Smokey Yunick.........
6sal6
 

It wasn't Smokey.  It was one of the guys we tend to associate with Ford.  Not Shelby, but maybe Holman/Moody or someone like that. 
 

 

9/17/2022 9:30 AM  #18


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It was Horace Oszefogva, an obscure but very innovative Hungarian automotive racer.🥸


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9/19/2022 3:45 PM  #19


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Rudi wrote:

It was Horace Oszefogva, an obscure but very innovative Hungarian automotive racer.🥸

 
I’m sure there is a comedy reference here, but I ain’t smart enough to figure it out!!


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

9/19/2022 5:04 PM  #20


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Heating and bending the rear axle may be fine on the track, but how is it on the street?  Both tire wear and bearing life could be affected.  How much does it help in any case?  When I purchased mine, it had a bent housing which had to be replaced because of a whine.

It is an interesting thought.  I might have done that once.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

9/19/2022 5:05 PM  #21


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Heating and bending the rear axle may be fine on the track, but how is it on the street?  Both tire wear and bearing life could be affected.  How much does it help in any case?  When I purchased mine, it had a bent housing which had to be replaced because of a whine.

It is an interesting thought.  I might have done that once.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

9/19/2022 7:18 PM  #22


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

Heating and cooling the rear housing is fine for the street or track. The housing doesn't know or care where it is.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

9/20/2022 5:52 AM  #23


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

To clarify, we are talking about the axle tubes, not the center section where the gears go.  If that's bent its junk.  The tubes, you are talking about an incredibly small amount of misalignment.  I doubt the bearings, etc. would even know.  tire wear?  Sure, same as running additional camber on the front, but no one seems to care about that in the interest better of handling.  We are talking about adding about 1 degree of negative camber.  Honestly I never noticed much additional wear with only 1 degree. 

 

9/20/2022 8:21 AM  #24


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

I read that the heating to straighten the housing was a better option than trying to bend it.   That the axle tube would be less likely to hold the alignment if bent versus heating it.  But I’m no expert.

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9/20/2022 2:42 PM  #25


Re: Narrowing my spare 9 inch housing

I have always just heated spots and sometimes heat and cool quickly. Not all tubing reacts the same. 

 

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