I can't think of any reason not to try it. 

MS wrote:

What do you think of adding the shelby quick steer kit to a 65 with borgeson p/s? I am going to put borgeson on the 65 vert, and it needs new idler arm and center link.

Has anyone done it? Seems like John Ha used it on his convertible with factory power steering many years ago?

What would that do? make it harder to steer or easier?

 

MS wrote:

Billy, it makes the steering require more effort, but having the borgeson should take care of that.

Yes, the steering stops would be hit before max travel of the borgeson.  Should not be an issue in  my eyes.  Not like I am going to try and turn it harder once the stops are reached.

Wondering if it would make mine less easy seems like it steers way to easy.

Rudi wrote:

Unless you plan to regularly do the “tail of the dragon” or auto crossing what is the benefit of quick steering.
I’da thought it just puts more strain on a system that was not designed for.

I can steer with my pinky ...I just wish it had more resistance.
 

Honestly, I don't think my car has ever been on the stop on either side since I installed the Borgeson.  Maybe once trying to make a u-turn, but in typical driving it seems a non issue to me. 

Side thought …

It would be interesting to talk to a power steering shop and see if the Borg boxes are as Lego like as the Saginaw ones.  The Borgeson  mustang retrofit boxes are 14:1 right? I have seen 12.7:1 Borgeson boxes for other applications, maybe the piston/ballscrew assembly could be swapped between the two to quicken up the ratio?  Maybe the control valves could also be swapped to give more feedback and reduce assist? 

I have had about a dozen Saginaw boxes apart on a bench.  With those most internal parts swap right across regardless of application.  With a Saginaw 800 box the differences are the castings to fit ford or GM, the ratio of the guts (which interchange) and the piston caps / internal stop rings which limit lock to lock travel for whatever the OEM specified.

Don wrote:

What's included on this "KIT".   I think ? I put on this pitmen arm years ago on the stock ps system.  Now I have the borgenson system the first thing I noticed was twitchy but that was ME learning the new system without slop in it.  Now I like how tight it is but thats comparing it to a very old system.     

Don......I don't have a Borg system but from what I've read.......the "twitchy" can be adjusted away with different valving/larger pulley system
and other stuff too.
6sally6 

MS wrote:

What do you think of adding the shelby quick steer kit to a 65 with borgeson p/s? I am going to put borgeson on the 65 vert, and it needs new idler arm and center link.

Has anyone done it? Seems like John Ha used it on his convertible with factory power steering many years ago?

I did have the quick steer setup with the factory power steering on the car when I bought it.  The ram had the relocation bracket that attaches to the frame (for header clearance?) and the car had 71 spindles on it at the time.  There were no inappropriate contacts but since the person who'd done the conversion had left the manual steering box (19:1) in it, it was a little twitchy.  I've since taken the power steering out and put in the power steering box (16:1), still with the quick steer.  I like the responsiveness, although if you're not moving it's a bit harder to get the front wheels turned.

The quick steer pitman arm requires a 1" shaft coming out of the box so it won't fit any stock boxes after 66.  I have an extra quick steer set (idler arm and pitman arm) here and would be willing to sell it for a reasonable price if you're interested.  That set was on my car, but when I bought the roller quick steer idler arm, it came with the pitman arm.  So I replaced both.  If you're interested PM me.

maybe I need some shims

Rudi, twisting a knob is so 2010. Have you seen Bruno's new controllers with GPS for speed sensitive control? I thought that was kinda cool.
 

50vert wrote:

Rudi, twisting a knob is so 2010. Have you seen Bruno's new controllers with GPS for speed sensitive control? I thought that was kinda cool.
 

 
Yeah Barry, seen those about 5 years after I  built mine.
If did it again I’d go that route since my AOD has a VSS in it that sends the signal to the  controller.

TKOPerformance wrote:

Rudi wrote:

6sally6 wrote:

Don......I don't have a Borg system but from what I've read.......the "twitchy" can be adjusted away with different valving/larger pulley system
and other stuff too.
6sally6 

 
Yeah Mike, from reports seems that the one size fits all Borgeson is twitchy and quick steering will make it more so. I guess that trying multiple different pulleys and restrictors in the pump to get the desired results is the procedure.
The thing about EPAS is you can do that in car, while driving with the twist of a knob.

Shouldn't be any need to touch the pulley.  The pressure relief valve just needs to be shimmed so you can reduce the pressure.  Mine was twitchy stock.  Not anymore since I added a couple shims from the kit. 

The Borgeson Pump Kit is #899001, available from Summit, Jegs, etc.