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3/11/2023 9:37 AM  #1


CVF Serpentine System

Andbody have the CVF Serpentine System installed on their 1966 Mustang with a 24" radiator and AC? I emailed Classic Auto Air about a condenser and drier that would fit that application and the guy answering the email gave me some kinda goofy answer about how that setup won't work right.

With the CVF Serpentine system the AC compressor is on the Passenger side down low. 

Last edited by KeithP (3/11/2023 1:47 PM)


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

3/11/2023 1:32 PM  #2


Re: CVF Serpentine System

I have a v-belt system so can’t help. 
Regarding the AC system, maybe the tubing or hoses that go through the radiator support would present a problem with the 24” radiator (?).


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

3/11/2023 2:41 PM  #3


Re: CVF Serpentine System

What area of the install are concerned? My 24" radiator and right side AC are on a 69 butt, the tubes on the dryer into the engine bay clear the radiator just fine. If you don't have the holes in the radiator support, make some.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

3/11/2023 3:30 PM  #4


Re: CVF Serpentine System

Bearing Bob wrote:

What area of the install are concerned? My 24" radiator and right side AC are on a 69 butt, the tubes on the dryer into the engine bay clear the radiator just fine. If you don't have the holes in the radiator support, make some.

I don't really see a problem, but the email answer I read made me think there was something I was missing. I don't have a condenser and drier to look at, but I was just going to flip the condenser around so the connections would be on the passenger side instead of the drivers side. I'm assuming the front side and back side of the condenser are the same and the refrigerant connections come straight out the side.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/11/2023 3:45 PM  #5


Re: CVF Serpentine System

The real Mustangsteve has 24 inch radiator on his 66 but not sure which serpentine system he has on the small block 427.

He has the a/c on passenger side on his 69 down low but it is a 69.

Last edited by BILLY WALTON from GEORGIA (3/11/2023 3:51 PM)


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3/11/2023 6:05 PM  #6


Re: CVF Serpentine System

Vintage air makes a really cool condenser/dryer setup for the 65-66, made for wider radiator and it bolts to existing holes top and bottom, where thr hood latch bolts to the core support.  They also have tube kit to run compressor on either side.  I installed one on Jose’s 65 with an aluminum 20” radiator and the CVF two-belt serpentine system.  Fits fine. His car had driver side compressor. My 69 has passenger side compressor. Both with Vintage Air condenser and dryer.
The CVF systems fit same as stock as far as dimension from the fan to radiator.

My 66 has a 24” wide 2-1/2” thick 70 radiator with 70 v-belt system having three belts.


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3/11/2023 7:34 PM  #7


Re: CVF Serpentine System

MS wrote:

Vintage air makes a really cool condenser/dryer setup for the 65-66, made for wider radiator and it bolts to existing holes top and bottom, where thr hood latch bolts to the core support. They also have tube kit to run compressor on either side. I installed one on Jose’s 65 with an aluminum 20” radiator and the CVF two-belt serpentine system. Fits fine. His car had driver side compressor. My 69 has passenger side compressor. Both with Vintage Air condenser and dryer.
The CVF systems fit same as stock as far as dimension from the fan to radiator.

My 66 has a 24” wide 2-1/2” thick 70 radiator with 70 v-belt system having three belts.

I should be getting the vintage air condenser kit tomorrow  coming from Summit racing part number  VTA-011065
 

Last edited by BILLY WALTON from GEORGIA (3/11/2023 7:36 PM)


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3/11/2023 8:23 PM  #8


Re: CVF Serpentine System

I have a Classic Auto Air daily driver setup with the foxbody compressor bracket and serpentine compressor.

The foxbody has driver side compressor, unlike yours.

Dwight was very helpful in getting replacement parts and the necessary foxbody components for my setup.

Here’s his contact information:



They only have the common kits listed online.
I believe they can do custom stuff too.



This is stock width 18” radiator and condenser is 16” tall x 18” wide.
This condenser fits into the stock radiator opening recessed pocket.
For reference info only.

With a 24” wide radiator, you will have an area vertically from inside edge of stock battery tray to the fender/framerail under battery tray.  There’s room to get lines through there.
Let us know what you find out.
Good luck!

 

3/12/2023 3:31 PM  #9


Re: CVF Serpentine System

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator.   When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

 

3/12/2023 6:32 PM  #10


Re: CVF Serpentine System

This is the one I have it mounts to the hood latch bracket like Steve said
I also have the 24 jnch radiator in my 65.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/VTA-011065


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3/13/2023 10:54 AM  #11


Re: CVF Serpentine System

RTM wrote:

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator.   When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

The one from Vintage bolts on to factory hood latch holes top and bottom and clears the larger radiator


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3/13/2023 10:56 AM  #12


Re: CVF Serpentine System

RTM wrote:

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator.   When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

 
I would absolutely do that.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

3/13/2023 11:31 AM  #13


Re: CVF Serpentine System

RTM wrote:

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator. When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

I just called CAA and they stated that all the condensers for the 64-73 Mustangs are all the same size. 18" wide x 16" tall.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/13/2023 11:36 AM  #14


Re: CVF Serpentine System

MS wrote:

Vintage air makes a really cool condenser/dryer setup for the 65-66, made for wider radiator and it bolts to existing holes top and bottom, where thr hood latch bolts to the core support. They also have tube kit to run compressor on either side. I installed one on Jose’s 65 with an aluminum 20” radiator and the CVF two-belt serpentine system. Fits fine. His car had driver side compressor. My 69 has passenger side compressor. Both with Vintage Air condenser and dryer.
The CVF systems fit same as stock as far as dimension from the fan to radiator.

My 66 has a 24” wide 2-1/2” thick 70 radiator with 70 v-belt system having three belts.

The condenser you have installed in front of the 24" radiator is 20" wide?

 


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/13/2023 2:15 PM  #15


Re: CVF Serpentine System

KeithP wrote:

RTM wrote:

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator. When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

I just called CAA and they stated that all the condensers for the 64-73 Mustangs are all the same size. 18" wide x 16" tall.

I wonder why they suggested it to me then?

 

3/13/2023 2:35 PM  #16


Re: CVF Serpentine System

RTM wrote:

KeithP wrote:

RTM wrote:

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator. When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

I just called CAA and they stated that all the condensers for the 64-73 Mustangs are all the same size. 18" wide x 16" tall.

I wonder why they suggested it to me then?

Good question. I wanted to buy from CAA beacuse they had the electronic switch setup. But looking at the Vintage Air website, they now also have an eletronic switch setup that actually looks better than the CAA setup.
https://www.vintageair.com/search-results/?sqry=473101


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/14/2023 7:39 AM  #17


Re: CVF Serpentine System

RTM wrote:

KeithP wrote:

RTM wrote:

I have the CVF and will be installing the 24 inch radiator. When I reached out to CAA they suggested I run the 70 model condenser to take advantage of the wider opening.

I just called CAA and they stated that all the condensers for the 64-73 Mustangs are all the same size. 18" wide x 16" tall.

I wonder why they suggested it to me then?

Even though condenser is same size, the hard lines and dryer mounts are different to allow for the wider 70 radiator
I have the 67-70 condenser and dryer (Vintage Air version) in my 66.  It required more mods to fit in the 65-66 core support.  I installed it many years ago before their improved version like Jose’s snd BILLY’s was available. The new version is the way to go.

Last edited by MS (3/14/2023 7:42 AM)


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3/14/2023 12:27 PM  #18


Re: CVF Serpentine System

MS wrote:

RTM wrote:

KeithP wrote:


I just called CAA and they stated that all the condensers for the 64-73 Mustangs are all the same size. 18" wide x 16" tall.

I wonder why they suggested it to me then?

Even though condenser is same size, the hard lines and dryer mounts are different to allow for the wider 70 radiator
I have the 67-70 condenser and dryer (Vintage Air version) in my 66. It required more mods to fit in the 65-66 core support. I installed it many years ago before their improved version like Jose’s snd BILLY’s was available. The new version is the way to go.

Got mine at Summit Racing

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/VTA-011065
 


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3/14/2023 8:26 PM  #19


Re: CVF Serpentine System

UPDATE: I ordered the 551965 Evap kit from from Vintage Air. That's the new one with the electronic controls. Will take about 2 1/2 - 3 weeks to build.
I did not order the Condenser kit yet because I am still trying to figure out what will work for my application.
BTW: I think Vintage Air is more conducive to helping someone that has modified their vehicle. Classic Air did not seem to be as helpful/knowledgeable.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/15/2023 7:57 AM  #20


Re: CVF Serpentine System

I cannot think of any reason why the 011065 condenser would not work the best.
Unless you are mounting compressor on passenger side.


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3/15/2023 8:59 AM  #21


Re: CVF Serpentine System

MS wrote:

I cannot think of any reason why the 011065 condenser would not work the best.
Unless you are mounting compressor on passenger side.

Yep, compressor on Passenger side.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/15/2023 9:06 AM  #22


Re: CVF Serpentine System

Vintage sells a tube kit for that. I have one on my 69.
Just ask them

It simply replaces the two hard lines so they go to the passenger side traveling in front of the condenser.  Dryer is still on driver side like normal.


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3/15/2023 9:34 AM  #23


Re: CVF Serpentine System

KeithP wrote:

Good question. I wanted to buy from CAA beacuse they had the electronic switch setup. But looking at the Vintage Air website, they now also have an eletronic switch setup that actually looks better than the CAA setup.
https://www.vintageair.com/search-results/?sqry=473101

Keith - thanks for the tip about Vintage's electronic control.  I contacted Vintage and I can fit this new control to my Vintage system (purchased in 2016).  I've had some issues with the "cable converter assembly" system, so this change is on my to-do list.

 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

3/15/2023 10:13 AM  #24


Re: CVF Serpentine System

MS wrote:

Vintage sells a tube kit for that. I have one on my 69.
Just ask them

It simply replaces the two hard lines so they go to the passenger side traveling in front of the condenser. Dryer is still on driver side like normal.

I saw that hardline kit on their website for the 67-70 Mustang. I will probably go with that and the 20" wide condenser kit. I was hoping for a wider condenser so as not to block off my radiator. I will be working with Jason at Vintage Air on that. He seems to be very helpful and knowledgeable. 


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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3/15/2023 5:12 PM  #25


Re: CVF Serpentine System

The 67-70 mounts are difficult to convert to 65-66 fitment. The top/bottom mounts work much better


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