I just installed a set of Patriot longtubes in my Mach1 with Borgeson box...perfect fit,no mods at all, tucked up nicely...from my experience go with Patriots, well thought out, but a knuckel buster....jj

thanks guys,do you both have t5 with clutch cable set up?do the patriots hang low?going to shorties to stop melting clutch cable and sick of them hitting everywhere on these rough roads here in maine.

thanks guys,do you both have t5 with clutch cable set up?do the patriots hang low?going to shorties to stop melting clutch cable and sick of them hitting everywhere on these rough roads here in maine.

I know you said that you dont want hi-po's, but I must at least throw in my opinion, I have all three, 66 w/long tubes. 68 w/shorty's (Hedman), 66 with hi-po's, and the only one that I NEVER deal with or ever regret are the hi-po's, and I guarentee that on a stock head small block the seat of your pants will never know the difference. On a side note, if you must have the headers, what I have done is buy the Hedman's bare / uncoated, test fit them, make any modification that you might need and then send them out to be coated. You will get a better coating job, and nothing is worse than messing up the coating on new hedders so the have all the right clearances. With that said, the only one I really had to modify much is the shorty's in the Falcon to work with the Borgenson steering box. The other would have fit out of the box, but I tend to always think I can make something better.

gordon43 wrote:

how is the sound with the hipos?

Quietest of the three. If you're an "old man" you'll love it!!    j/k
 

5.0 with Hi-Po's.  Two coats of Por-15 High Temp.  16K miles, still look great, fit perfect, clear everything, perform fine on the street.  And yes, I'm old too and I hate having to mess with stuff once it's on the road.

BB

gordon43 wrote:

i am old but when i drive this thing my wife says i act like a schoolboy!

Then you NEED long tube headers with some sort of cut-outs. You'll think you're in high school again!!!!!
Trust me on this^^^^^
 

I have 1-5/8 primary tubes on two small blocks right now and they are all you need unless you are going to live above 8000 rpm. I think 1-1/2 would be a little small if you have or are planning much in the way of modifications like heads, cam, intake, carb/FI..... I am working on a set of mufflers that have a cut-out on the exit pipe that will give straight through performance/sound! I collected several mufflers and cut them up to find one with the capability of making one new hole in the end to get a straight through path. Now I am welding on a second outlet that has a shutter that I can open remotely. And yes 6sally6 there is nothing like the sound of a good set of long tubes!