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1/27/2018 3:27 PM  #1


Replacement Truck

Ok, please bare with me, I am going to go way out on a limb here. I know we are a Mustang Group, and at least Ford Group. But you guys are some of the most automotive knowledge / experience based guys that I know, especially compared to the young guys I work around (I'm 52).

I am about to replace my day to day work truck, which I drive about 35k miles a year, and make my living with. I am an inspector and trouble shooter for a consulting engineering company. While most of my miles are on the Hwy, I must have reasonable ground clearance to get into and out of project sites. I haul my three boys daily as well.

My last several vehicles have been F150 2wd Crew Cabs and they have done great (one lost transmission). My issue is due to the cost of late model trucks and how quick I run the miles up on them, I have never been able to convince myself to buy new or even late model. I typically buy somethin 10 + years old with 124-150k miles. But then I have a real high mileage truck real fast. My present truck is a 02 F150 Supercrew with 225k miles.

My issue is that these newer model high mileage trucks aren't the easiest to work on, troubleshoot, and some parts can be expensive. My wife says go buy a new truck, and I say $40K dollars and in four years it has 150k miles on it and i'm in the same spot.

I am considering going in the other direction, buying something mid to late 80's, that yes will have maintenance, maybe more than what I have been buying, but would be much easier and most likely much cheaper to work on. Here is where I really stir up things, I have considered a mid to late 80's Suburban. 

Have I lost my mind, I need/want reliable, I must have (I'm 52) comfortable.

 

1/27/2018 3:55 PM  #2


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You're in the catch 22 most of us fine ourselves in.  I'm putting a new trans in my 214k mile '06 F250 as I write this.  I'm not buying a new truck anytime soon.  The prices they want are ridiculous, and I've got a 7 month old son in daycare to the tune of $1,200 a month, so I'm not going to be making truck payments anytime soon.

But, buying used look at what you are buying: someone else's problems or a vehicle that's going to need costly repairs in the near future.

Buying something 30+ years old as a DD, putting that kind of mileage on it, man, that's a real gamble.  True, those trucks are simple, and cheaper to fix, but where do you find one without 150k or more on it?  Those '80s Suburbans are awesome.  We had one that logged 300k+ before we sold it.  Wouldn't be surprised if its still running.  I have a '86 K5, which is just a chopped down 1/2 ton Suburban.  Great trucks, simple to work on, easy to fix.  If you're not towing or hauling anything and can deal with worse brakes, sloppy suspension, and a decided lack of power compared to new trucks its not a bad way to go.  Avoid the 6.2 Diesels; they're a toilet.

Honestly, if you want something older for a reasonable price I'd give Toyota a serious look.  They really go forever if maintained, and are also relatively simple and cheap to fix.

The biggest issue with the older trucks around here is the tin worm, aka rust.  Even my '06 has the wheel arches falling off the bed.  Anything older is going to be much worse, unless I buy it from someplace they don't rust, but then that's a trip, or buying sight unseen. 

I'll be interested to hear what the other guys think.  We have this debate on the Diesel forum about twice a year.

 

1/27/2018 4:05 PM  #3


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I just picked up a 2014 f150 supercrew 4x4.  It was a lease return. 27k miles and certified pre-owned. 5.0 engine.
Love this truck. That's the closest I'll get to buying a new truck.
Might consider looking for a lease return.

 

1/27/2018 4:45 PM  #4


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I do this too myself about once every couple years. My 02 supercrew with 225k miles has just a bit of piston slap when cold but other than that it runs fabulous, Its the 5.4. The trans shifts great and it still drives fairly well. Plugs were changed at 150k. It has zero rust on it, has slight crack in fiberglass bed where daughter backed here jeep into it. My concern is right now the 02 may still have some value, but in another year at well over 260k it wont be worth anything.

I'm not making a car/truck payment anytime soon either, daughter in college, son turning 16 in couple months and twin boys right behind him.

 

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1/27/2018 6:27 PM  #5


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Kar wrote:

in another year at well over 260k it wont be worth anything.
 

Sure it will, just not a lot but do you expect to drive for free?  Certainly not, I think.  All that mileage has to be part of your job expenses.  I'd say keep the repair cost and base cost as low as you can and when it gets 300 or 400K on it then advertise it as rust free with high miles in a rust-belt paper.  I bet you'd be surprised how many folks up there want a short-haul beater that doesn't have the body settling down over the frame.  JMO

BB


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

1/27/2018 9:14 PM  #6


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I think with that kind of mileage a diesel might fit the bill. You'll pay more for a nice one for sure, but you can drive the heck out of it. 

 

1/28/2018 10:25 AM  #7


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I'm with Josh on this one.  A lease return will have history of oil changes.  Newer models have induction,  computer systems, over drive trannys and better cooling systems that reduce wear.  Higher mpgs.  If you plan on another 10 years / 350k miles a newer model will be better to live with.  Yes the cost is higher.  And hey Josh, up were you are use Amsoil.com in everything.  It was engineered to work in ex stream cold.      

 

1/28/2018 12:48 PM  #8


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Don, I still have my 2003 supercrew 2wd with the 5.4
It always gets 16mpg. My new truck hovers around 20mpg.
I know the guy who had my truck leased. My plan is to keep picking up his lease return every three years. Guy keeps his truck in excellent condition.  Just my two cents.

 

1/28/2018 3:14 PM  #9


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Yea guy I agree with the idea of just driving the 02 until it dies, but mine has the 5.4 2wd 3.73 gear and has never seen close to 16 mpg even downhill with a tail wind, but I don't care about mpg that much, I figure with no payment i can buy the fuel.

One thing though is that I don't mind driving older, I kind of enjoy it. For a couple years I drove a 79 F100 every day and loved the fact that no matter what happens I could fix it on the road with minimal tools. It was a great truck, 2wd SWB, 351w. C6, bullitt proof. Then one day i got the great ideal to stick a crown vic front end up under it. It was a great project, and drove great, but no longer good at getting in and out of construction sites, and the second mistake was I sold it.

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1/28/2018 10:29 PM  #10


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I just picked up a 95 F150, 300 cyl. 5spd.  Pretty cheap $1,800, Needed clutch. Truck has 168k miles, but the eng. Is strong and quiet.  I think I could get another 75k miles or more?  These engines are bulletproof.  I ride nice and comfortable A/C, power steering, brakes, doors and windows. Good simple truck. This one is regular cab short bed, so maybe they'll be collectible when I get ready to sell?

 

1/29/2018 6:15 AM  #11


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If you don't need to tow heavy I'd avoid a Diesel.  I say that as a guy who drives one every day.  The emissions era Diesels all have engine issues.  They can be resolved, but its not cheap.  The engines are considerably more expensive to maintain, and they require a lot of maintenance.  If you could find a Cummins 12 valve with the P-pump that's a killer engine with killer reliability that gets insane mileage.  Unfortunately everyone knows that, so ragged out they go for $5k, nice $10k plus, and the last one was built in '98.  In stock form they are way underpowered, and the truck around them is a '90s era Dodge.  The trannys are utter junk that can barely hold a stock engine.  Its a case study in why trucks evolved, and how they've gotten both better and worse as time's gone on. 

 

1/29/2018 12:14 PM  #12


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                                                                   HOW ABOUT A 'BLEND ANSWER'!
I agree with Red AND Josh!!
IF you could find someone like Josh's friend that turns in a lease truck every few years....that would be the best deal.
Those guys are probably few & far between. He pretty much breaks the truck in and you get all the "goodie" out of it!

Red thinks a lot like me. Drive it until the wheels fall off(or the 'tin worm' gets it!) I would bet over the long haul.....repair costs would be less than "new-truck payments".
EITHER one is just the cost of do'in business.....new truck payments or repair costs.    With young children coming along...they could learn to drive your old hand-me-down trucks...until "they-buy" their own set of wheels.

Side note......I have a 91 S-10 with the 4.3 engine. 240,000 miles on the original engine. (heads have never been off!)  Gets the same semi-crappy gas mileage its always got and uses zero oil between changes.  Like most folks will attest to.....these little engines are  near "bullet-proof"!
Like Red......I'd have zero worries driving it to the MSBB? this year.
6s6 


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1/29/2018 4:05 PM  #13


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Thanks Guys,
I think my plan for now is to drive mine until it dies, and keep an eye out for that can't pass up deal on something older and more interesting, I enjoy 70's & 80's trucks, Van's, SUV's ( were they called that back then).

Another note, I had the next project car delivered to my house today, belongs to a guy I go to church with, its a 86 GT 5.0, 5-speed, one owner. It hasn't been started for 18 years, he pulled into the garage to upgrade some suspension goodies and swap it over to Mass Air Flow, and never drove it again.

 

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1/29/2018 4:25 PM  #14


Re: Replacement Truck

Have fun with the new project......and nice find!

 

1/29/2018 7:16 PM  #15


Re: Replacement Truck

josh-kebob wrote:

I just picked up a 2014 f150 supercrew 4x4. It was a lease return. 27k miles and certified pre-owned. 5.0 engine.
Love this truck. That's the closest I'll get to buying a new truck.
Might consider looking for a lease return.

That's exactly what I have. I broke down in SC almost 2 years ago and had to buy something to get home. I had a couple sleepless nights but in the end I love this truck too. Same engine
 


I'm not a complete idiot.....pieces are missing. Tom
 

1/30/2018 8:20 AM  #16


Re: Replacement Truck

Ozblitz wrote:

I just picked up a 95 F150, 300 cyl. 5spd. Pretty cheap $1,800, Needed clutch. Truck has 168k miles, but the eng. Is strong and quiet. I think I could get another 75k miles or more? These engines are bulletproof. I ride nice and comfortable A/C, power steering, brakes, doors and windows. Good simple truck. This one is regular cab short bed, so maybe they'll be collectible when I get ready to sell?

My daily driver is a '91 F150, 300 I-6 with 5 speed with 240,000 miles on it.  I've heard many people claim that you can usually get about 300,000 miles out of a Ford 300... I'm gonna find out.  I've had it since '96 with very few issues, and when there are issues it's still pretty easy and cheap to work on.

 

1/30/2018 12:00 PM  #17


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I wish I had my 2002 F150 Lariat Supercrew back. That was the best riding truck ever.
If you are cnsidering buying something older, I would reconsider.
I would keep the one you already own. You know exactly what you have, and even an engine and tranny replacement will cost you less than another truck that probably needs the same thing plus brakes, shocks, ball joints, etc.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

1/30/2018 2:38 PM  #18


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MS wrote:

If you are considering buying something older, I would reconsider.
I would keep the one you already own. You know exactly what you have, and even an engine and tranny replacement will cost you less than another truck that probably needs the same thing plus brakes, shocks, ball joints, etc.

I agree with that completely.  That's the only thing that's kept me from selling my truck and buying one just like it with a 351w.  I've considered just swapping in a 351w, but I'm scared of making all the wiring work out.

 

1/31/2018 10:19 AM  #19


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Michael H. wrote:

MS wrote:

If you are considering buying something older, I would reconsider.
I would keep the one you already own. You know exactly what you have, and even an engine and tranny replacement will cost you less than another truck that probably needs the same thing plus brakes, shocks, ball joints, etc.

I agree with that completely.  That's the only thing that's kept me from selling my truck and buying one just like it with a 351w.  I've considered just swapping in a 351w, but I'm scared of making all the wiring work out.

 
That's exactly where I was. I had a chance to get 5.0 electrical and F.I. Intake out of a wrecked truck and already have a 5.0 rebuilt on stand by, but I was afraid of all the conversion headaches. So, I just left it as is.

 

1/31/2018 12:34 PM  #20


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I like buying used cars from people I know that take good care of what they have. Done that with several cars over the years with good luck.

I had a 300 -6 in my first truck, a 76 short bed pickup. That's a tough motor to kill, and believe me I tried as a 16 to 18 year old that wanted a V-8. The last time I put a clutch in it, I found that once I had a few of the pressure plate bolts in place, I was able to rotate the motor by turning the flywheel with my hands to get to the rest of them. That's with the spark plugs in it too!! For as loose as it was, it cranked and ran good.

Good luck with the new project, the 4 eyed cars are my favorite Fox body.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

1/31/2018 1:26 PM  #21


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Bolted to Floor wrote:

I like buying used cars from people I know that take good care of what they have. Done that with several cars over the years with good luck.

I had a 300 -6 in my first truck, a 76 short bed pickup. That's a tough motor to kill, and believe me I tried as a 16 to 18 year old that wanted a V-8. The last time I put a clutch in it, I found that once I had a few of the pressure plate bolts in place, I was able to rotate the motor by turning the flywheel with my hands to get to the rest of them. That's with the spark plugs in it too!! For as loose as it was, it cranked and ran good.

Good luck with the new project, the 4 eyed cars are my favorite Fox body.

WOW!!!!!!..........talk about "low-friction" race engines!!!!!!!!!!!!
6sally6
 


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

1/31/2018 8:48 PM  #22


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I'm with Josh on a truck that has lower miles and newer.  I wouldn't want to be stranded going to work or with kids in toe.  My nephew just bought a new Ram Truck 1500 with the hemi.  He popped the hood and I couldn't believe it had a Manual Fan.  I thought everything had Electric today.   Steve69

 

2/01/2018 6:14 AM  #23


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Those 300s were great engines.  The guy who designed the Hudson six used in the Hornet designed that engine.  It was basically what he would have done at Hudson in the late '50s-early '60s if the company had remained in existence instead of being purchased by AMC and discontinued.  The major difference is a swap to overhead valves.  The Hudson six was 308 cubic inches, and they too were torque monsters.  With EFI on the later 300 (4.9) you were hard pressed to tell it wasn't a V8.  I'm sure that engine made more torque than a 5.0.  Really good work trucks that ran forever.  I'd say with EFI 300k is probably half life.  I know a lot that did that or more with a carb. 

 

2/01/2018 10:39 AM  #24


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The last generation 300 (4.9) vs the 96 F150 302 (5.0)
300: 
150hp @ 3400 rpm
260tq @ 2000 rpm

302:
195hp @ 3800 rpm
270tq @ 2400 rpm

That 400 lower rpm makes the 300 feel so much stronger, the torque is all there sooner and closer to the rpm you spend all your time at. That's why I've always said if we would build our V8's for how we really drive and enjoy them instead of how we think we will drive (6000 rpm) them, we would be much happier with our engine builds. The older I get the more I want tons of torque down low, and a smooth idle.

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2/01/2018 12:58 PM  #25


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Modern engines have the capability to give us both to some extent. Like most, I spend a lot of time puttsing around not wanting to shift too much. But then I hit the city limits and everything changes......give me a lower gear, open exhaust, and lots of revs!!!  When you get close to the braking point and the car is still pulling, it is a wonderful thing.

 

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